Boxing PPV vs last nights UFC

[TMLT87]

No it wasn’t, Wilder, Stiverne, and Martin all boxed internationally as amateurs and all had OVER 20 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS. It’s not like any of the guys won “the title” anyway.

Brock had no international experience, and won the UNDISPUTED UFC HW title within 4 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS.

Lol @ this goal post shifting to "international experience" now. There were and are multiple former olympic medallist wrestlers and judoka in MMA who havent done **** compared to Brock btw. And you know yourself that the number of fights etc is apples to oranges. Wilder went 42-0 with about 40 of those wins being against a combination of Heath Herring and Min-Soo Kim level opponents, while Brock faced six top 10 ranked opponents in a nine fight career.

You MMA fanboys have such an inferiority complex. No wonder the biggest star in the history of your sport had to come over to boxing to get his ass kicked for a pay day.

Other way round, boxing fans are massively insecure towards MMA because they know its a better product overall and that the momentum has shifted with no turning back. Its like being a grumpy old baseball fan back in the days when football was taking over.

And the fact that the 2nd biggest drawing boxing PPV of all time is an 0-0 MMA fighter vs a retired 40 year old boxer is not a great look for boxing is it? between that and Youtuber fights a lot of people that dont follow boxing have the perception that it needs to resort to that kind of crap to get mainstream attention now.

I enjoy both sports but MMA will never be on boxing’s level

On boxings level in what sense? its already arguably the bigger sport at this point.

That was a boring ass main event lol.

More exciting than 90% of boxing matches. And even if it was "boring" (it wasnt) it lasted like 6 minutes. Real boring is watching two dudes inconsequentially jabbing at each other for 36 minutes with no knockdowns, no visible damage and basically nothing memorable happening.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lol @ this goal post shifting to "international experience" now. There were and are multiple former olympic medallist wrestlers and judoka in MMA who havent done **** compared to Brock btw. And you know yourself that the number of fights etc is apples to oranges. Wilder went 42-0 with about 40 of those wins being against a combination of Heath Herring and Min-Soo Kim level opponents, while Brock faced six top 10 ranked opponents in a nine fight career.



Other way round, boxing fans are massively insecure towards MMA because they know its a better product overall and that the momentum has shifted with no turning back. Its like being a grumpy old baseball fan back in the days when football was taking over.

And the fact that the 2nd biggest drawing boxing PPV of all time is an 0-0 MMA fighter vs a retired 40 year old boxer is not a great look for boxing is it? between that and Youtuber fights a lot of people that dont follow boxing have the perception that it needs to resort to that kind of crap to get mainstream attention now.



On boxings level in what sense? its already arguably the bigger sport at this point.



More exciting than 90% of boxing matches. And even if it was "boring" (it wasnt) it lasted like 6 minutes. Real boring is watching two dudes inconsequentially jabbing at each other for 36 minutes with no knockdowns, no visible damage and basically nothing memorable happening.

No goal post shifting whatsoever, I stated he had no international experience in my first post about Brock. You should learn to read coherently...

The MMA guy at the peak of his career had to come to boxing to get paid. Don’t get it twisted now...

The only boxing guys who go over to MMA are a 48 YEAR OLD Ray Mercer who still knocked out Tim Sylvia, a guy who two years earlier was UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. Worlds apart in terms of talent...

It’s not on its level in terms of anything. In terms of talent in terms of finances, in terms of public interest. Probably never will be.

I’m actually a big MMA fan, think it’s a growing sport and is great to watch, but I won’t have fan boys like you try and act like it’s superior to boxing when it ain’t even in the same conversation.

[TMLT87]

The only boxing guys who go over to MMA are a 48 YEAR OLD Ray Mercer who still knocked out Tim Sylvia, a guy who two years earlier was UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. Worlds apart in terms of talent...

...and one fight earlier Tim got knocked out in 36 seconds. He was a notoriously undisciplined lazy slob who got caught. How often do you think Mercer could replicate that result? he didnt manage it against Kimbo who made him tap and he didnt manage it when he got stopped in 20 seconds in K-1 either.

And why are you ignoring James Toney getting toyed with by Couture? or the several boxers that went to K1 and looked like ****?

The MMA guy at the peak of his career had to come to boxing to get paid. Don’t get it twisted now...

Both things can be true. He came to get paid because he knew he could leverage his name for a big payday and boxing money is ****ing hilariously excessive relative to its popularity ($40m in purses to get Canelo/Kovalev made only for them to wait backstage so the fans in attendance could watch a UFC fight between two guys making around $1m combined), but in doing so he also gave boxing a rare moment of mainstream exposure.

It’s not on its level in terms of anything. In terms of talent in terms of finances, in terms of public interest. Probably never will be.

"talent" is entirely subjective. As for public interest, the UFC is ahead by practically every metric these days, has been for a while. You must have your head in the sand to not notice this.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

...and one fight earlier Tim got knocked out in 36 seconds. He was a notoriously undisciplined lazy slob who got caught. How often do you think Mercer could replicate that result? he didnt manage it against Kimbo who made him tap and he didnt manage it when he got stopped in 20 seconds in K-1 either.

And why are you ignoring James Toney getting toyed with by Couture? or the several boxers that went to K1 and looked like ****?



Both things can be true. He came to get paid because he knew he could leverage his name for a big payday and boxing money is ****ing hilariously excessive relative to its popularity ($40m in purses to get Canelo/Kovalev made only for them to wait backstage so the fans in attendance could watch a UFC fight between two guys making around $1m combined), but in doing so he also gave boxing a rare moment of mainstream exposure.



"talent" is entirely subjective. As for public interest, the UFC is ahead by practically every metric these days, has been for a while. You must have your head in the sand to not notice this.

So Randy Couture beating an out of shape shot James Toney in MMA is some sort of victory for you? pathetic...

Ray Mercer beat a recent UFC champion at 48 years old in MMA.

That’s literally like Chuck Liddell beating Joseph Parker tomorrow in boxing. That would never happen though because of the talent and depth of boxing.

DAZN taking the high road to avoid a clash was good thing! It meant we got to watch both! I was really happy they did that.

I dunno why you MMA fanboys try to always make this a boxing vs MMA thing, just enjoy both. Making it a competition only exposes your preferred sport as MMA pales in comparison.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The MMA fanboys are special man...

[TMLT87]

So Randy Couture beating an out of shape shot James Toney in MMA is some sort of victory for you? pathetic...

And Randy was a young man in the prime of his life at that time, you know, only 47.

But no, its not a victory. Ray Mercer having a punchers chance go his way against big dopey sloth Tim isnt much of a victory either.

DAZN taking the high road to avoid a clash was good thing! It meant we got to watch both! I was really happy they did that.

I'm sure they did it purely out of the kindness of their hearts.

MMA pales in comparison.

You know, this weekend when i'm one of the 100,000 or so people on the planet watching Tank/LSC, I will probably think to myself "man, the UFC has got nothing on this, this is truly the big leagues", then again...maybe not.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

And Randy was a young man in the prime of his life at that time, you know, only 47.

But no, its not a victory. Ray Mercer having a punchers chance go his way against big dopey sloth Tim isnt much of a victory either.



I'm sure they did it purely out of the kindness of their hearts.



You know, this weekend when i'm one of the 100,000 or so people on the planet watching Tank/LSC, I will probably think to myself "man, the UFC has got nothing on this, this is truly the big leagues", then again...maybe not.

Couture is an MMA fighter, he was world champion aged 46. Toney is a f***ing boxer and was shot to sh**.

But Ray Mercer a boxer at 48 beat a 30 odd year old former UFC champion in an MMA fight.

If UFC is so far ahead why did it’s biggest star have to come over to boxing as the B-side?????

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The MMA fanboys are special man...

Very special...

[saopaulo]

imagine a ufc fighter at age 33 like terrance crawford and never had a big fight? mayweather ruined boxing with his fictitious 0 bull***** and it has carried into this generation.

[TMLT87]

If UFC is so far ahead why did it’s biggest star have to come over to boxing as the B-side?????

As we've already established, boxing pay is ****ing insane and Conor knew he had the star power to walk into boxing and get that kind of payday and high profile fight. And Floyd is Floyd, he was a huge star, even bigger than Conor.


Lets just put this in perspective though, around a third of all PPV buys for boxing from the last 5 years come from one fight involving a retired guy in his 40s fighting someone from the UFC who had never had a pro boxing match before. That is ****ing ridiculous. And it gets worse when you take into account that even with that fight included the UFC is still miles ahead in total PPV buys over that same time frame.