Boxing PPV vs last nights UFC

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Khabib/Gaethje was two top 10 p4p'ers in a title fight. Whittaker/Cannonier was two top 5 MWs in a no1 contendership fight. Volkov/Harris was two lower end top 10 HWs. Ankalaev/Cutelaba was two top 15ish LHWs in a rematch of a crazy controversial fight. Even stuff like Struve/Tuivasa on the prelims was fun just for the freakshow aspect. It was a wild night of fights, full of crazy moments and talking points and with a genuine big fight water cooler atmosphere.


The Charlo card on the other hand, was a bunch of fights lasting much longer than a 5 round MMA championship fight, most of them having no knockdowns or exciting flashpoints. Nothing particularly memorable, no real hype. It felt small time, because it was, shouldnt have even been on PPV because there wasnt enough demand for it. And the concept of a "world class" fighter loses its value when theres 17 male divisions with 4 major belts available in each and a lot of guys wont be fighting each other anytime soon if at all anyway.



And theres a reason Adesanya/Costa did like 6 times as many buys as that Charlo PPV going head to head.

So the answer is none...

UFC is marketing it as quality action and gullible people like you are buying into it cause of the rankings doe.

Would you ever consider a boxer top level because he’s top 5 with the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO. Rankings don’t mean sh**. It’s a marketing ploy that UFC uses perfectly.

Cannonier is a failed light heavyweight who got completely outclassed by Whittaker. He’s 7-4 in the UFC.

Volkov and Harris are irrelevant HW’s. Neither are legitimate contenders to the HW title and never will be.

Open your eyes man. Dana must love fans like you.

[TMLT87]

Cannonier is a failed light heavyweight who got completely outclassed by Whittaker. He’s 7-4 in the UFC.

Failed at a higher weight class, with losses to the current LHW champ and two other top 5 LHWs. He was 3-0 at MW with a KO win over Hermansson (who after that went on to sub Gastelum in the 1st round, the same Gastelum who gave Adesanya a good fight last year). I mean...what are you arguing exactly? that hes not a top 5 level MW? that it wasnt a no1 contendership fight?

Volkov and Harris are irrelevant HW’s. Neither are legitimate contenders to the HW title and never will be.

So presumably you dont have any interest in watching two top 10 HWs fighting each other in boxing either unless Fury, AJ or Wilder are involved?

UFC is marketing it as quality action and gullible people like you are buying into it cause of the rankings doe.

Open your eyes man. Dana must love fans like you.

I love how you say this while trying to hype up a ****ing Charlo bros PPV lmao. Now theres some "quality action" worth your money, a whole 120,000 people thought so too!! 36 minutes (thats like 7 rounds and a bit of MMA) each for huge long awaited fights like Daniel Roman vs Juan Carlos Payano and Luis Nery vs Aaron Alameda on the undercard too. As for highlight reel moments? well you could slo-mo the ref waving off Duke "who?" Micah while hes standing and conscious vs Casimero. Riveting stuff. I dont understand how it didnt break a million buys tbh.

[PRINCEKOOL]

How many big fights have been ruined by marinading, pac v may came years too late. Wilder v AJ should have happened a few year ago. Spence v Crawford isn’t happening anytime soon. These are earth shattering fights that should have boxing on everybody’s lips. There’s plenty more like Krusher v Adonis that slip your mind, if I sat and thought about it I could name more. You shouldn’t have a choice or an excuse not to fight the best in your division.

I guess apart of me enjoys all the speculation 'And politics that can surrounded big fights' but of course yes? Sometimes big fights in boxing are not made at the optimal time 'But the sports has always been that way'.

I am quite annoyed with how the recent Fury vs Wilder situation is being handled 'The way none of the camps are addressing the public directly' I have never seen anything like it, pathetic from both camps.

I can full well envision UFC styled organisations appearing in boxing, but it will be incredibly difficult for them to overshadow the entire world of boxing 'But for sure they are going to surface'.

Boxing will never be tamed entirely 'Once it is tamed it will be destroyed and marginalized, IT is not meant to exist in the same manner as the UFC'.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Failed at a higher weight class, with losses to the current LHW champ and two other top 5 LHWs. He was 3-0 at MW with a KO win over Hermansson (who after that went on to sub Gastelum in the 1st round, the same Gastelum who gave Adesanya a good fight last year). I mean...what are you arguing exactly? that hes not a top 5 level MW? that it wasnt a no1 contendership fight?



So presumably you dont have any interest in watching two top 10 HWs fighting each other in boxing either unless Fury, AJ or Wilder are involved?




I love how you say this while trying to hype up a ****ing Charlo bros PPV lmao. Now theres some "quality action" worth your money, a whole 120,000 people thought so too!! 36 minutes (thats like 7 rounds and a bit of MMA) each for huge long awaited fights like Daniel Roman vs Juan Carlos Payano and Luis Nery vs Aaron Alameda on the undercard too. As for highlight reel moments? well you could slo-mo the ref waving off Duke "who?" Micah while hes standing and conscious vs Casimero. Riveting stuff. I dont understand how it didnt break a million buys tbh.

Shut up man, you’re just embarrassing yourself. Your clearly just a UFC fanboy. As I said Dana must love guys like you.

Casimero is a 3 weight WORLD CHAMPION. Cannonier hasn’t ever challenged for a belt across 3 weights. One of those guys was chief support on the supposed “better card”.

[TMLT87]

Casimero is a 3 weight WORLD CHAMPION. Cannonier hasn’t ever challenged for a belt across 3 weights. One of those guys was chief support.

I actually like Casimero a lot, (and of course we still havent gotten Casimero/Inoue which actually would have been worthwhile) but you know yourself deep down that Casimero/Duke Micah is just not that compelling to most people (****, Charlo/Derevyanchenko is not that compelling to most people either if we are being honest) and as I said all the world champion stuff loses its impact when theres so many divisions and belts.

The Fury/Wilder/AJ stuff is compelling, Canelo/GGG is compelling, Loma/Lopez to some extent is compelling. Spence/Crawford (or at least the distant possibility of it) is compelling. But the UFC is making compelling big fights more regularly these days. Acting like MMA fans are gullible and being short changed when they're for the most part getting a vastly more entertaining product is just ridiculous. The difference is reflected in the buyrates too.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I actually like Casimero a lot, (and of course we still havent gotten Casimero/Inoue which actually would have been worthwhile) but you know yourself deep down that Casimero/Duke Micah is just not that compelling to most people (****, Charlo/Derevyanchenko is not that compelling to most people either if we are being honest) and as I said all the world champion stuff loses its impact when theres so many divisions and belts.

The Fury/Wilder/AJ stuff is compelling, Canelo/GGG is compelling, Loma/Lopez to some extent is compelling. Spence/Crawford (or at least the distant possibility of it) is compelling. But the UFC is making compelling big fights more regularly these days. Acting like MMA fans are gullible and being short changed when they're for the most part getting a vastly more entertaining product is just ridiculous. The difference is reflected in the buyrates too.

Boxing has a higher calibre of fighters, it’s just that simple. The “big fights” in UFC would be small fry in boxing because the quality isn’t the same.

For example, Brock Lesnar switched from pro wrestling to MMA with only a collegiate amateur wrestling background and won the Heavyweight title within 4 fights. That would never ever happen in boxing because the quality and depth is simply much better.

In terms of marketing UFC is far better, they’re fans are way more invested in the product than boxing fans are, but a lot of them are drinking the kool aid. Dana is excellent at conning the fan base into believing guys are quality fighters when in reality they’re not and when they run into a Khabib or an Adesanya they get completely outclassed.

In terms of matchmaking, the UFC also make more competitive matchups regularly but they are at a lower level. Look at the last two PPV main events, where either of them fights competitive? Did Gaethje or Costa even win a round? Did Masvidal win a round vs Usman? People just believed they would be competitive, when in reality they were never going to be. Which again highlights just how good the marketing is.

[Armchairhero]

I guess apart of me enjoys all the speculation 'And politics that can surrounded big fights' but of course yes? Sometimes big fights in boxing are not made at the optimal time 'But the sports has always been that way'.

I am quite annoyed with how the recent Fury vs Wilder situation is being handled 'The way none of the camps are addressing the public directly' I have never seen anything like it, pathetic from both camps.

I can full well envision UFC styled organisations appearing in boxing, but it will be incredibly difficult for them to overshadow the entire world of boxing 'But for sure they are going to surface'.

Boxing will never be tamed entirely 'Once it is tamed it will be destroyed and marginalized, IT is not meant to exist in the same manner as the UFC'.

I thought the WBSS was a good idea, but even then some “champs” opted out, the Mexican super middle ( can’t remember his name) , He was another who wouldn’t fight anyone, moved up in weight before he fought someone on his level.

What I do like in UFC is a fighter isn’t “exposed” after a few losses. The boxing crowd laugh at 7-3 records, what would our protected champs records look like if they weren’t expertly matched ?

Look at the rubbish chucked at Loma, getting laughed at with his 16-2 record, in reality most fighters with 30-0 records you can probably discount 25 of those fights or maybe more as they were one sided and match made to put them in position. Loma fought real fights from turning pro and has a real record to go with it...

I’m going off in tangents...

[L. Cipher]

If you're complaining about the length of fights you're not a boxing fan.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I thought the WBSS was a good idea, but even then some “champs” opted out, the Mexican super middle ( can’t remember his name) , He was another who wouldn’t fight anyone, moved up in weight before he fought someone on his level.

What I do like in UFC is a fighter isn’t “exposed” after a few losses. The boxing crowd laugh at 7-3 records, what would our protected champs records look like if they weren’t expertly matched ?

Look at the rubbish chucked at Loma, getting laughed at with his 16-2 record, in reality most fighters with 30-0 records you can probably discount 25 of those fights or maybe more as they were one sided and match made to put them in position. Loma fought real fights from turning pro and has a real record to go with it...

I’m going off in tangents...

Boxing crowd is ruthless, but also honest.

A loss only really matters to the public, in reality? It does not really matter, there is always a way back 'Derek Chisora is evidence of that' his next fight is a mega fight.

I did used to watch K1 Fighting Championship quite a lot, but for some reason UFC has never really become big with me 'Although I will take a interest in individual fighters' mainly Conor Mcgregor.

This crucify a fighter if he loses 'Is a fairly new culture within boxing'. It came about in the 90's, and seems to be at a all-time high as we speak etc.

Note: Nothing personal against you in this thread, it is just the way I can debate at times.

[TMLT87]

Boxing has a higher calibre of fighters, it’s just that simple. The “big fights” in UFC would be small fry in boxing because the quality isn’t the same.
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Its hard to call boxers a higher calibre of "fighters" when they'd get their **** pushed in quickly and consistently under most combat sports rulesets vs even mediocre UFC guys as they dont have 75% of the things in their skillset that MMA fighters do.

Theres just more belts (theres like 50 champions right now for ****s sake) and every halfway decent prospect gets their big undefeated record so it becomes practically meaningless, and then most big fights get marinated for years because promoters are so scared of their guy losing. Thats the "higher standard"

For example, Brock Lesnar switched from pro wrestling to MMA with only a collegiate amateur wrestling background and won the Heavyweight title within 4 fights. That would never ever happen in boxing because the quality and depth is simply much better.

He was a national division 1 champion with a record of 106-5. He was also fast tracked because of his name. You're right it wouldnt happen in boxing, not because of depth or quality though, but because wrestling is not applicable at all to boxing while being arguably the most important single facet of MMA.

If you think Brock being champion hurts the UFCs credibility though, does that mean you would favor Fury, AJ or Wilder to beat him in an anything goes fight?

Dana is excellent at conning the fan base into believing guys are quality fighters when in reality they’re not and when they run into a Khabib or an Adesanya they get completely outclassed.

So someone isnt a quality fighter if they eventually get dominated by an even better fighter? isnt this an inevitable outcome for most fighters when they are consistently forced to face each other? why would every fight between top 10 guys be evenly matched?

What about Wilder going 12 ****ing years and 42-0 before Fury beat the living **** out of him? what about Loma being hyped up as the greatest boxer ever only to lose to a 23 year old who only got out of prospect stage like 2 years ago?

Did Gaethje or Costa even win a round? Did Masvidal win a round vs Usman?

Maybe Khabib, Adesanya and Usman are just special fighters and/or it was a bad stylistic match up for the loser? Gastelum had a 5 round competitive war with Adesanya but then lost to a guy who got KTFO by Cannonier, no? plus the margins of victory tend to be greater in MMA for the same reason the fights can end quicker - the ruleset. Its not 2 guys with big gloves on boxing for short 3 minute rounds.

I mean, what exactly are you trying to say anyway? you dont believe Gaethje or Costa are top 5 in their weight class? who do you think could give Adesanya, Khabib or Usman their toughest fights then?

If you're complaining about the length of fights you're not a boxing fan.

If its a big and/or exciting fight 12 rounds is great. If its a boring no name fight its ****ing torture. At least boring no name fights in MMA are over in 15 minutes max.