Teofimo Lopez: Stop Low Balling Me or No Fight

[The Big Dunn]

If Lopez doesnt take this fight now it will never happen. Lopez will be at 140 in a few months and Loma should actually be at 130 or 126 . Lopez should go for it and either have a spectacular win or learn from a really good fighter in a loss.

You make solid points.

[The Big Dunn]

Im not looking to look through pages of my responses because I'm certain I responded directly you or one of your fellow black supremists.

Would I take this fight?

Absolutely.

Especially if I spent over a year calling this guy out and I thought he was nothing special.

Didn't Teo predict a 2nd round knock out? Did Teo not say he would fight Lomachenko with or without fans? Isn't he the guy who called lomachenko "easy" and a "little diva"?

Only one guy has been talking **** and he's the guy who is refusing to fight.

You guys keep talking about fair but 1.2 million is extremely fair especially in these times.

If he was so confident in himself like he claims he is take the fight. Its easy. Youre not going to make 135 soon as Lopez claims so capitalize on the opportunity.

But nah man. Your legit only argument is when you break the fight down into percentages because that's the only way it fits your agenda.

Tell me man. You think Smith should only make 5M to Canels 35M? What percentage is that?

Or even better yet. Why was Floyd make tens of millions and his opponents pennies? Wanna tell me those percentages?

All you want to argue the same thing, percentage, but refuse to provide any evidence why he deserves more.

He is NOT a bigger draw
He is NOT more accomplished
He is NOT more popular

I made a whole thread dedicated to guys just like you to provide your evidence as to why Teo is worth more than 1.2m.

Guess how many have taken me up on that? ZERO

Care to guess why?

You're a f-cking liar. You wouldn't allow yourself to be treated like this at all.

Since when does "sh-t talking" factor into a business negotiation of a boxing match? You have to really hate non white people if this is your standard in business. By labeling black posters as black supremacists (not supremists you ignorant bigot) that tells me that your real issue is racial hate and bias rather than fairness.

You don't care Teo could be getting screwed for obvious reasons. I didn't have any agenda. I didn't write this thread, I simply gave my opinion. I also have made clear that Loma deserves more. I did defend why I felt Lopez should get more-because the draw here is the actual fight, not necessarily each of the fighters separately. If you read all of my posts, I suggested 65/35 for Loma would be about right.

I didn't see that thread and don't know why.

[KTFOKING]

Well, the announced attendance was more than 10k. Maybe it wasn't sold out, but a lot of people said it looks as if it were sold out. I mean, it holds 20k so maybe it wasn't sold out, but it was pretty full

I think I saw Freddie Roach saying it looked packed

If you go and watch the fight, you can see it looks pretty full

Top Rank Boxing: Lomachenko vs. Crolla Box Office:

Gate: $559,387.50
Tickets Sold: 5,826
Comps: 1,521#boxing

— Jed I. Goodman (@jedigoodman) May 15, 2019

Finally found the gate and tickets sold for the fight.

So yeah, as you can see, FAR from a sellout or selling 10k tickets.

And if you want to know what he did against Marriaga?

Vaslily Lomachenko vs Miguel Marriaga (8/5/17)

Sold = 3,162
Exempt = 1,727
Live Gate = $203,138.00

Only great gate Lomachenko has done is against Linares at MSG. But overall? Far from a huge draw.

[whollisboxing]

Teofimo Lopez was offered $1.2 million for an Oct. 3 lightweight title bout vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko, sources tell @TheAthleticBOX; he’s seeking far more and the fight’s in jeopardy. Loma accepted a package in excess of $3.25 million. All the details:https://t.co/RVgNcnEh9e

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) July 30, 2020

So looks like this fight was no longer going to be on PPV. But if that is the only way they can get the money, then they should go that route. Lomachenko gets big money every fight so no surprise there but it is costly for ESPN.

Come on Bob, figure this out and get it done!

I always reference Zab Judah taking a lowball offer to rematch Cory Spinks. I know that was years ago and I understand adjusting for inflation but the point remains the same. Zab was willing to sacrifice in order to get Spinks in the ring. Once he got him in the ring, he delivered and went on to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Miguel Cotto on PPV. None of that happens if Zab doesn't take the "lowball" offer and win.

With that said, I am all for fighters getting as much as they can and maybe this is just a negotiation tactic on Teo's part. I just hope he doesn't overplay his hand because this is a golden opportunity for him to get out in front of his contemporaries (Shakur Stevenson, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney)

[Smash]

teo should take out this little pitty pat guy whos small for 135 and do a flip, i mean its not like teo is gona get his head knocked off

[KTFOKING]

I always reference Zab Judah taking a lowball offer to rematch Cory Spinks. I know that was years ago and I understand adjusting for inflation but the point remains the same. Zab was willing to sacrifice in order to get Spinks in the ring. Once he got him in the ring, he delivered and went on to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Miguel Cotto on PPV. None of that happens if Zab doesn't take the "lowball" offer and win.

With that said, I am all for fighters getting as much as they can and maybe this is just a negotiation tactic on Teo's part. I just hope he doesn't overplay his hand because this is a golden opportunity for him to get out in front of his contemporaries (Shakur Stevenson, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney)

Judah was trying to get payback with Spinks though. A little different. He didn't have a belt at that time either.

To me, this isn't about the purse splits that are being thrown out in this thread. Whatever number he has on his mind, he should gun for it unless it is something ridiculous like say 3-4M. Lomachenko has his own deal with TR and he earned that. Lopez has value here as there is no other fight at TR for Lomachenko close to being as big as this one in the near future. Possibly down the line you can say Lomachenko vs Stevenson.

I'm still not sure why this fight just isn't on PPV. Let Lopez take the risk by getting upside depending on the buys. Can get a guarantee and then upside is determined in how well the event does.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I always reference Zab Judah taking a lowball offer to rematch Cory Spinks. I know that was years ago and I understand adjusting for inflation but the point remains the same. Zab was willing to sacrifice in order to get Spinks in the ring. Once he got him in the ring, he delivered and went on to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Miguel Cotto on PPV. None of that happens if Zab doesn't take the "lowball" offer and win.

With that said, I am all for fighters getting as much as they can and maybe this is just a negotiation tactic on Teo's part. I just hope he doesn't overplay his hand because this is a golden opportunity for him to get out in front of his contemporaries (Shakur Stevenson, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney)

You're describing a situation where a fighter accepted B-Side status to earn A-Side status.

Those days are LONG gone.

[Cypocryphy]

Top Rank Boxing: Lomachenko vs. Crolla Box Office:

Gate: $559,387.50
Tickets Sold: 5,826
Comps: 1,521#boxing

— Jed I. Goodman (@jedigoodman) May 15, 2019

Finally found the gate and tickets sold for the fight.

So yeah, as you can see, FAR from a sellout or selling 10k tickets.

And if you want to know what he did against Marriaga?

Vaslily Lomachenko vs Miguel Marriaga (8/5/17)

Sold = 3,162
Exempt = 1,727
Live Gate = $203,138.00

Only great gate Lomachenko has done is against Linares at MSG. But overall? Far from a huge draw.

I checked it out. I'm glad I did too cause you're about to get Molly Whopped. This guy's numbers are wrong. Don't know where he came up with this, but no one but him uses these numbers. For one, I heard the attendance announced. And I'm not alone here:

https://<blockquote class="twitter-t...f-8"></script>

"Vasiliy Lomachenko's vicious knockout of Anthony Crolla was expected, ... Anthony Crolla with a fourth-round knockout in front of 10,101 fans at ..."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/what-we-learned-from-vasiliy-lomachenko-knockout-of-anthony-crolla/z1jduweywmh1qioy3h20ph6y

"It was pure domination for Vasiliy Lomachenko, who sent Anthony Crolla ... of 10,101 on the first anniversary of the streaming service's launch."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26510483/lomachenko-crushes-crolla-knockout-4th

"Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it."

https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-lomachenko-crushes-crolla-with-brutal-knockout--137921

"Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it."

https://apnews.com/888fd49e60f944c89860bcee45606df8

Poor Jed. No one wants to use his bogus stats

And here's some more info to enlighten you about how much of a draw is Lomachenko:

"Top Rank promoter Bob Arum must be smiling from ear to ear today at the news that last weekend’s lightweight world title fight between Vasyl Lomachenko and Jorge Linares averaged a whopping 1.439 million viewers with a peak of 1.75 million on ESPN in their fight at Madison Square Garden in New York."

https://www.************.com/2018/05...s-ratings-hbo/

"The fight itself averaged 1,439,000 viewers and peaked at 1,749,000 viewers, making it the most-watched boxing fight on cable television in 2018."

https://www.boxingscene.com/lomachen...weight--128443'

Loma vs Rigo: "he card averaged 1.73 million viewers on ESPN, which did not include ESPN Deportes or the online streaming service."

http://www.boxingscene.com/espn-loma-rigo-drew-173m-viewers-no-2-on-cable-2012--123354

"The fight averaged 2,013,000 viewers, making it the second most-watched boxing match on American cable or network television in 2018. The fight peaked over 2.1 million viewers"

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/25479081

"Luke Campbell on 31 August 2019, at The O2 Arena in London in front of a sold out crowd of over 18,000."

Lomachenko has headlined inside the main portion of MSG in his career and three-times within the Garden's Hulu Theater. He fought before a crowd of 10,429 in Madison Square Garden's main arena.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lomachenko-stops-linares-historic-third-world-title-042118514--box.html

You got nothin'. Next time, you're getting knocked out of the ring.

[KTFOKING]

I checked it out. I'm glad I did too cause you're about to get Molly Whopped. This guy's numbers are wrong. Don't know where he came up with this, but no one but him uses these numbers. For one, I heard the attendance announced. And I'm not alone here:

https://<blockquote class="twitter-t...f-8"></script>

"Vasiliy Lomachenko's vicious knockout of Anthony Crolla was expected, ... Anthony Crolla with a fourth-round knockout in front of 10,101 fans at ..."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/what-we-learned-from-vasiliy-lomachenko-knockout-of-anthony-crolla/z1jduweywmh1qioy3h20ph6y

"It was pure domination for Vasiliy Lomachenko, who sent Anthony Crolla ... of 10,101 on the first anniversary of the streaming service's launch."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26510483/lomachenko-crushes-crolla-knockout-4th

"Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it."

https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-lomachenko-crushes-crolla-with-brutal-knockout--137921

"Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it."

https://apnews.com/888fd49e60f944c89860bcee45606df8

Poor Jed. No one wants to use his bogus stats

And here's some more info to enlighten you about how much of a draw is Lomachenko:

"Top Rank promoter Bob Arum must be smiling from ear to ear today at the news that last weekend’s lightweight world title fight between Vasyl Lomachenko and Jorge Linares averaged a whopping 1.439 million viewers with a peak of 1.75 million on ESPN in their fight at Madison Square Garden in New York."

https://www.************.com/2018/05...s-ratings-hbo/

"The fight itself averaged 1,439,000 viewers and peaked at 1,749,000 viewers, making it the most-watched boxing fight on cable television in 2018."

https://www.boxingscene.com/lomachen...weight--128443'

Loma vs Rigo: "he card averaged 1.73 million viewers on ESPN, which did not include ESPN Deportes or the online streaming service."

http://www.boxingscene.com/espn-loma-rigo-drew-173m-viewers-no-2-on-cable-2012--123354

"The fight averaged 2,013,000 viewers, making it the second most-watched boxing match on American cable or network television in 2018. The fight peaked over 2.1 million viewers"

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/25479081

"Luke Campbell on 31 August 2019, at The O2 Arena in London in front of a sold out crowd of over 18,000."

Lomachenko has headlined inside the main portion of MSG in his career and three-times within the Garden's Hulu Theater. He fought before a crowd of 10,429 in Madison Square Garden's main arena.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lomachenko-stops-linares-historic-third-world-title-042118514--box.html

You got nothin'. Next time, you're getting knocked out of the ring.

LOL what? Announced attendance is whatever the promoters want to put out. Commission report is FAR more accurate. Don't embarrass yourself next time.

Why are you bringing up numbers to fights that aren't relevant to the conversation?

[Cypocryphy]

LOL what? Announced attendance is whatever the promoters want to put out. Commission report is FAR more accurate. Don't embarrass yourself next time.

Why are you bringing up numbers to fights that aren't relevant to the conversation?

The stadium announces attendance by the number of tickets scanned at the turnstile before a basketball game or boxing card begins.