Did anyone ever dominate Juan Manuel Marquez like Floyd did?

[jmrf4435]

I can't think of any other JMM fights where he got completely shut down like that. He seems to have been competitive in all his other losses.

he dont got that fast twitch muscle fiber

[CubanGuyNYC]

Any rational person that watched that fight will tell you that skills won the fight.

It was not like Floyd was imposing his size or Marquez was consistently landing while having no effect on Floyd.

That's what I'm saying.

Floyd's weight played no part in the outcome of the fight. It was not a factor at all.

It wasn’t the fairest fight — Floyd paid a $600,000 penalty for going two pounds over the 144 catchweight, while Marquez came in at 142. That’s a four pound gap. Big difference. Yes, it was impressive to beat someone that good, that completely; but if they weighed the same going into the fight, and Juan had more time to adjust to the higher weight limit, the bout may very well have been more competitive.

[Bitedown]

I get that, I’m saying would he have actually still fought canelo?

Canelo ended up weighing like 167 on fight night while Floyd weighed 148....so 2 pounds means a 21 pound advantage for Canelo....not the 4 or so pounds advantage Floyd had....it’s not the same thing

[ShoulderRoll]

It wasn’t the fairest fight — Floyd paid a $600,000 penalty for going two pounds over the 144 catchweight, while Marquez came in at 142. That’s a four pound gap. Big difference. Yes, it was impressive to beat someone that good, that completely; but if they weighed the same going into the fight, and Juan had more time to adjust to the higher weight limit, the bout may very well have been more competitive.

What effect did the 4 pound gap have on the fight? If anything Floyd seemed like the lighter, faster fighter.

[Bitedown]

It wasn’t the fairest fight — Floyd paid a $600,000 penalty for going two pounds over the 144 catchweight, while Marquez came in at 142. That’s a four pound gap. Big difference. Yes, it was impressive to beat someone that good, that completely; but if they weighed the same going into the fight, and Juan had more time to adjust to the higher weight limit, the bout may very well have been more competitive.

Cmon now all those fights Floyd was outweighed by at least 13 pounds Maidana, Oscar,Cotto, Ortiz,Canelo...that’s no issue but Floyd is 4 pounds heavier and it’s so unfair?

[JK1700]

No. I actually don’t think anyone else beat him period. He had a DQ loss early in his career but apart from that and Floyd I didn’t think anyone beat him. I thought he beat Norwood although that was an awkward fight, I had him beating Pacquiao in 2 and 3 and had the first fight even. You can actually argue he won all 4 fights.

The Chris John fight is in my top 3 robberies of all time list and I thought he beat Bradley although it was a close fight. Neither guy looked good, but I had him edging it. Floyd doesn’t get enough credit for beating arguably the 2nd best fighter of his era (most people had JMM winning most of the Pacquiao fights). The problem was he didn’t have a big promoter behind him and never got a fair shake because Manny was Bob’s biggest cash cow.

[CubanGuyNYC]

What effect did the 4 pound gap have on the fight? If anything Floyd seemed like the lighter, faster fighter.

The nature of the performance didn’t seem to hinge on weight, but it was a clear weight disparity. That sort of thing has an effect that isn’t readily noticeable. And let’s not forget that Marquez had just come up from 135. Impressive performance by Floyd? Yes. But let’s not get crazy. Do you think Mayweather was just being lazy and decided to throw away 600k over two pounds? I seriously doubt it. He wanted to be the bigger man. Why?

[ShoulderRoll]

The nature of the performance didn’t seem to hinge on weight, but it was a clear weight disparity. That sort of thing has an effect that isn’t readily noticeable. And let’s not forget that Marquez had just come up from 135. Impressive performance by Floyd? Yes. But let’s not get crazy. Do you think Mayweather was just being lazy and decided to throw away 600k over two pounds? I seriously doubt it. He wanted to be the bigger man. Why?

I don't excuse what Floyd did. Fighters should follow the rules.

That said, I don't think weight played any factor in this fight at all so full credit should go to Floyd for being so dominant in the fight.

If the weight had given any extra edge or advantage I would agree that there should be an asterisk next to this win. But I don't see that it had any effect whatsoever.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Cmon now all those fights Floyd was outweighed by at least 13 pounds Maidana, Oscar,Cotto, Ortiz,Canelo...that’s no issue but Floyd is 4 pounds heavier and it’s so unfair?

The four pound differential was at the weigh-in, not on fight night. I don’t know what the weight advantage was either way in most of the other fights. It’s said Maidana weighed something like 17 pounds more than Floyd on fight night. And although Marcos is nowhere near Mayweather’s skill level, you saw how the weight advantage played a role. Now picture JMM, who had never fought above 135, fighting a boxer on the level of Floyd, with a weight disadvantage to boot. You think that doesn't matter?

[CubanGuyNYC]

I don't excuse what Floyd did. Fighters should follow the rules.

That said, I don't think weight played any factor in this fight at all so full credit should go to Floyd for being so dominant in the fight.

If the weight had given any extra edge or advantage I would agree that there should be an asterisk next to this win. But I don't see that it had any effect whatsoever.

I don’t disagree the performance was impressive. But I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that, had the sizes been level, Floyd would’ve been so dominant.