Did GGG beat better MIDDLEWEIGHTS than B-Hop.

[Curt Henning]

Curt I have great respect for Hopkins. I don't like his fighting style but he was a winner and strong minded. What he achieved is amazing during his boxing career and after it. He deserves to be in the HOF He is a fighter and comparisons to other fighters are part of it. If fighters are being compared there is no other way but to look at who they fought versus the guy that are being compared to. its not simple its not easy but it is what it is. So please explain to me how they are to be compared. Floyd, Leonard, Duran, SRR, Willie Pep, Marciano etc, get compared to other fighters every day on boxing forums. Hopkins is no different. Both guys share a record for title defenses last time I checked. Both guys have one loss at Middleweight. Comparisons are inevitable. I said Golovkin has a great chance to beat Hopkins. He is tough, he has a great jab, solid boxing fundamentals, never been dropped and he hits hard. He has all the tools to have a reasonable chance to beat Hopkins. Claiming anything else is not realistic.

i think you might be missing my point...or you do get it you just dont like it...and im not even trying to bash golovkin here

what im saying is that golovkin fans want to tether his name to hopkins...hopkins is a legend

but hopkins didnt gain that status strictly from his MW reign/resume

it seems golovkin fans want to say "b hop is so esteemed...well look...golovkin and his resume are similar and they have similar MW defense runs" as if this secures golovkin as a "legend"

what made hop a legend is what he did after MW....and we all know golovkin will never accomplish any of that...hes at the end of his rope and i think any halfway decent LHW would crush him right now...even a guy like joe smith(this is just my opinion and i wont argue with anyone who disagrees with this particular point)....

but people need to stop trying to tether golovkin to hopkins to make golovkin seem/sound like some legend....hopkins MW resume alone didnt get him that status

[Zaryu]

But at the same time...who did Tito beat at 160...he beat William Joppy and Mayorga...so saying he is a better win there than Jacobs or Derevy or even a couple others for GGG...I mean that is a fair opinion, but it is just that...an opinion.

I'm not saying Trinidad was a better middleweight than Danny Jacobs, although he was a better fighter in general, but he was still a very good middleweight weight. I don't want to get too much into Derevyanchenko because I don't want to seem like I'm trying to discredit him, but at least Trinidad was a middleweight champion whe BHOP fought him, that's more than can be said for a lot of these "real middleweights" the OP is trying to bring into discussion.

[Boxing_1013]

I'm not saying Trinidad was a better middleweight than Danny Jacobs, although he was a better fighter in general, but he was still a very good middleweight weight. I don't want to get too much into Derevyanchenko because I don't want to seem like I'm trying to discredit him, but at least Trinidad was a middleweight champion whe BHOP fought him, that's more than can be said for a lot of these "real middleweights" the OP is trying to bring into discussion.

I guess it is just a matter of perspective...Tito had a small sample size at 160 so hard to say what he really was there...we more or less know the level of guys like Jacobs and Derevy at 160...not the top of the top, and somewhere under that...hard to compare eras too though.

[Godsfly]

U talking about a guy in golovkin who lost to a jr middleweight moving up at might I add his (golovkins) natural weight. Golovkin lost to a guy that had very little experince even fighting at 160.....the 1st fight was razor close the 2nd fight he lost.......Hopkins is not losing to any guy moving up to middleweight I don't care what his name is and u are sitting back telling me about freaking golovkin wins vs Hopkins at middleweight? Complete deluded gibberish of people who truly don't know f all about boxing. Did u guys just start watching boxing 4 years ago? What are u 12? The debate is a joke.

[TonyGe]

i think you might be missing my point...or you do get it you just dont like it...and im not even trying to bash golovkin here

what im saying is that golovkin fans want to tether his name to hopkins...hopkins is a legend

but hopkins didnt gain that status strictly from his MW reign/resume

it seems golovkin fans want to say "b hop is so esteemed...well look...golovkin and his resume are similar and they have similar MW defense runs" as if this secures golovkin as a "legend"

what made hop a legend is what he did after MW....and we all know golovkin will never accomplish any of that...hes at the end of his rope and i think any halfway decent LHW would crush him right now...even a guy like joe smith(this is just my opinion and i wont argue with anyone who disagrees with this particular point)....

but people need to stop trying to tether golovkin to hopkins to make golovkin seem/sound like some legend....hopkins MW resume alone didnt get him that status

Personally I don't want to tether his name to Hopkins or anyone else but this is a boxing discussion forum and comparisons are the meat and potatoes of fans discussions. Hopkins is a natural guy to bring up because they share a record for title defenses and Hopkins is a relatively current fighter.

[White Mandela]

None of Hopkins best wins ever did anything much at all at 160 though, which I think is the point the TS is trying to make. JDJ was a fantastic JMW but never really did anything great at 160 - maybe Jacobs or Derevyanchenko level at best, similarly with Glen Johnson who only had a handful of fights at 160 in his early years and beat no-one of note despite his notable successes (and losses) at higher weights. Keith Holmes was a decent fighter who managed a coupla defenses before losing to Hopkins but nowhere close to any kind of legend, Eastman of a similar level to the likes of Macklin or Murray. Joppy, decent but again no better than Jacobs at best I'd say.

This guy gets it.

A lot of people have missed the point. This is why I put MIDDLEWEIGHTS in capitals

[White Mandela]

BHOP without a doubt had the much better reign at mw by miles imo & unlike ggg he actually cleaned out the division, didn't get any gifts & won his biggest fights,as well as set the actual record of title defenses & yrs reigned in a row record,while ggg hypocritically went back on his every word to cherrypick his entire career whenever possible & didn't break records.

Imho a fighters reign should be rated collectively based on all these things rather than just whether they reached a higher level in selected fights(as in the circumstances of those wins should be measured by the perceived difficulty & circumstances of the win rather than just better names)

You’ve missed the point. I’m asking who beat the better middleweights not who had the better reign.

[White Mandela]

U talking about a guy in golovkin who lost to a jr middleweight moving up at might I add his (golovkins) natural weight. Golovkin lost to a guy that had very little experince even fighting at 160.....the 1st fight was razor close the 2nd fight he lost.......Hopkins is not losing to any guy moving up to middleweight I don't care what his name is and u are sitting back telling me about freaking golovkin wins vs Hopkins at middleweight? Complete deluded gibberish of people who truly don't know f all about boxing. Did u guys just start watching boxing 4 years ago? What are u 12? The debate is a joke.

So which middleweights did B-Hop beat who were better than Jacobs?

Another guy who’s got all defensive and missed the point.

[White Mandela]

You think GGG would beat Hopkins??? Man pass that joint....

B-Hop and it’s not even close.

lets see.

GGG's top contender wins - Jacobs, Derev (one was really a loss)

Bhops top contender wins -several

GGG blown up welter is a guy with one title win

Bhops blown up welters are 2 HoFers.



of course bhops are better.

Lol man you ggg fanboys Need mental help.

Ggg has no win over canelo only canelo holds the distinction of winning in those24 rds.

But if you guys wanna play that game I guess we can include Oscar has a W over Tinidad and Mosley(rematch), Castillo holds a win over Mayweather and while we’re at it Derv holds a win over ggg aswell.

U talking about a guy in golovkin who lost to a jr middleweight moving up at might I add his (golovkins) natural weight. Golovkin lost to a guy that had very little experince even fighting at 160.....the 1st fight was razor close the 2nd fight he lost.......Hopkins is not losing to any guy moving up to middleweight I don't care what his name is and u are sitting back telling me about freaking golovkin wins vs Hopkins at middleweight? Complete deluded gibberish of people who truly don't know f all about boxing. Did u guys just start watching boxing 4 years ago? What are u 12? The debate is a joke.

Y’all all missed the point.

[White Mandela]

So we're counting some fighters who fought below the middleweight limit as "real middleweights", but an undefeated three weight division (154lbs unified) champion coming off a devastating win over a respected middleweight champion and competing for all the titles at the middleweight division is not good enough to be considered a real middleweight?

I get it, Hopkins' biggest win at 160 is not a career middleweight, but that smallish middleweight was a better middleweight than most of GGGs title defenses.

No we’re not counting a guy who spent 9 years of his career at 147. Tito was a welterweight who moved up.