Did GGG beat better MIDDLEWEIGHTS than B-Hop.

[White Mandela]

I’m talking about wins against proper middleweights not blown up welterweights.

GGG beat: Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, Lemieux, Murray, Geale, Macklin, Rubio, Stevens, Monroe and some others.

Hopkins beat: Holmes, Allen, Joppy, Jackson, Johnson, Vanderpool, Hakkar and some others.

Who beat the better middleweights?

[kushking]

I’m talking about wins against proper middleweights not blown up welterweights.

GGG beat: Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, Lemieux, Murray, Geale, Macklin, Rubio, Stevens, Monroe and some others.

Hopkins beat: Holmes, Allen, Joppy, Jackson, Johnson, Vanderpool, Hakkar and some others.

Who beat the better middleweights?

BHOP without a doubt had the much better reign at mw by miles imo & unlike ggg he actually cleaned out the division, didn't get any gifts & won his biggest fights,as well as set the actual record of title defenses & yrs reigned in a row record,while ggg hypocritically went back on his every word to cherrypick his entire career whenever possible & didn't break records.

Imho a fighters reign should be rated collectively based on all these things rather than just whether they reached a higher level in selected fights(as in the circumstances of those wins should be measured by the perceived difficulty & circumstances of the win rather than just better names)

[adotd]

BHOP for sure beat the better middleweights and had a better reign. I cannot hold it against GGG though. He wanted to fight the best, but they all ducked and showed no interest. It was only when GGG looked slightly vulnerable and on the slide against Brook, then even more so against Jacobs, that the bigger names and opposition wanted to fight him.

[Citizen Koba]

BHOP for sure beat the better middleweights and had a better reign. I cannot hold it against GGG though. He wanted to fight the best, but they all ducked and showed no interest. It was only when GGG looked slightly vulnerable and on the slide against Brook, then even more so against Jacobs, that the bigger names and opposition wanted to fight him.

None of Hopkins best wins ever did anything much at all at 160 though, which I think is the point the TS is trying to make. JDJ was a fantastic JMW but never really did anything great at 160 - maybe Jacobs or Derevyanchenko level at best, similarly with Glen Johnson who only had a handful of fights at 160 in his early years and beat no-one of note despite his notable successes (and losses) at higher weights. Keith Holmes was a decent fighter who managed a coupla defenses before losing to Hopkins but nowhere close to any kind of legend, Eastman of a similar level to the likes of Macklin or Murray. Joppy, decent but again no better than Jacobs at best I'd say.

I'm still inclined to put Hopkins slightly ahead cos he's got some names that accomplished much in other divisions even if they never made waves at MW (where they were mostly at the tail ends or the very beginnings of their careers), but just comparing MW accomplishments of their opponents and there really ain't much to pick.

[Quicksilver*]

Hopkins but not by a mile.

[BoloShot]

If GGG got that Canelo W deservedly in at least on of his fights with him, there wouldn't be much doubt here. Since those were robberies, I'd say yes.

[xxlefthookxx]

GGG. His biggest scalps, Canelo, Jacobs, and Derevyanchenko would beat any MW that Hopkins beat. Joppy? Holmes? Too-small Trinidad? They both had their share of weak offerings (Vanes, Monroe, Squirrel, JDJ) but I believe GGG's top wins (or bogus draw) is better than Hopkins.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Hopkins had the better win at 160 in regard to guys like Tito still being an elite fighter even at that weight.

In terms of who beat the better middleweights more consistently, you probably have to give it to GGG. He should have at least one W over Canelo too.

[kushking]

If GGG got that Canelo W deservedly in at least on of his fights with him, there wouldn't be much doubt here.

Yes ggg didn't do enough to win deservedly in either fight,good point. Non risk taker bully mw who feasts on smaller/& or less skilled opponents. Still a elite top fighter,just didn't accomplish anywhere near the hype unceremoniously granted him by the media who also happens to do this regularly when it suits them..

Ggg finally cremated the remainder of his legacy with his post Canelo career choices. He used to have excuses going for him but he cashed in every remaining card he had of rightousness a long time ago such as fighting brook at 160,rolls at a smw cw,& dropping IBF.

No longer can he claim rightous superiority by saying the countless excuses hes used throughout his career, because Canelo is shtting all over those excuses while GGG tries finding an excuse he hasn't gone back on,to justify wasting yrs of his career chasing money over legacy.

[xxlefthookxx]

If GGG got that Canelo W deservedly in at least on of his fights with him, there wouldn't be much doubt here. Since those were robberies, I'd say yes.

True that. GGG was screwed by the judges in that first fight, no doubt. Counting that as a win, the next question is...who was Hops best MW win? Tito whose best MW win was over Joppy...who had no good MW wins? And who would be favored...2017 Canelo or the MW version of Tito? Canelo. 2016 Jacobs or MW Tito? Jacobs. 2019 Deravyanchenko or MW Tito? Mr. D. Hops had more worn out, end of career names (DLH coming off what should have been a loss vs Sturm, JDJ coming off a loss to Abdullah Ramadan, Holmes who had distinguished himself by losing to Hasim Cherifi.....)
Easy vote here. It doesn't mean GGG beats Hopkins ( I believe he would) but GGG's best win/screw job was better than Hopkins best MW win.