Did GGG beat better MIDDLEWEIGHTS than B-Hop.

[Shadoww702]

heres the thing with b-hop and golovkin...

too many want to try to tie golovkin to hopkins...because of hopkins standing and stature in the sport...

if hopkins stopped fighting after his MW reign he wouldnt be a legend and his resume could/would be picked apart...its what hopkins accomplished and tried to accomplish after MW that makes him the legend he is....combined with his lil MW run

golovkin fans are desperate to paint golovkin in the same light by comparing MW reigns.....its not that simple or easy and doesnt work that way at all

hopkins isnt a legend of his MW resume alone.....dont forget that gggroupies

Bingo and thats why those CLOWNS POS

[Curt Henning]

Bingo and thats why those CLOWNS POS

its amazes me how many of golovkins superfans want to compare him to bhop and think they can...they want to use bhops name and standing in the sport to prop golovkin up....

"well if you knock golovkin what about bhop".....bhop isnt a legend because of his MW reign....these clowns wilfully want to ignore that

at the end of the day golovkin will have accomplished about half of what bhop did....thats just reality

[Real King Kong]

None of Hopkins best wins ever did anything much at all at 160 though, which I think is the point the TS is trying to make. JDJ was a fantastic JMW but never really did anything great at 160 - maybe Jacobs or Derevyanchenko level at best, similarly with Glen Johnson who only had a handful of fights at 160 in his early years and beat no-one of note despite his notable successes (and losses) at higher weights. Keith Holmes was a decent fighter who managed a coupla defenses before losing to Hopkins but nowhere close to any kind of legend, Eastman of a similar level to the likes of Macklin or Murray. Joppy, decent but again no better than Jacobs at best I'd say.

I'm still inclined to put Hopkins slightly ahead cos he's got some names that accomplished much in other divisions even if they never made waves at MW (where they were mostly at the tail ends or the very beginnings of their careers), but just comparing MW accomplishments of their opponents and there really ain't much to pick.

Good post. If you take the time to break it down, there’s not a huge difference. I give the nod to Hopkins, but I was a big fan of his in those days, so maybe I’m a bit biased.

[Real King Kong]

No! This MW class is weak as ***! Quit sucking ggg’s dic

That era of middle weight was thought of as weak too. Hopkins was toiling in relative obscurity...it took a career 140-147lber to breathe life into the division.

[Citizen Koba]

Good post. If you take the time to break it down, there’s not a huge difference. I give the nod to Hopkins, but I was a big fan of his in those days, so maybe I’m a bit biased.

I respect Hopkins as an individual and for his longevity and accomplishments as much as any fighter in history, dude is a true legend. Obviously overall his career is far greater than Golovkins given all he went on to achieve at LHW but taken just as MWs there really ain't a great deal in it.

[Boxing_1013]

If we are talking level of competition fought...it's probably close...with BHop a slight edge at the higher end...fighting a prime RJJ even in clear defeat gives him a good lead, and then JDD and (undefeated) Glen Johnson, along with Taylor twice and ODLH and Trinidad as well.

But GGG's level of competition being a little more solid on an average basis...BHop has 7 fights vs Segundo Mercado, Robert Allen, and Antwun Echols...hate on GGG if you want, but at least he dominated any guy that level or a bit above and never had rematches with them.

BHop's level of competition post 160 is about as good for 15 fights as any I've seen though...but at 160, GGG's is bit better or at least more consistent.

Just as far as wins go...let's look at top 4 wins...GGG has Jacobs Derevy Murray and let's say Brook or Lemieux as his top 4 probably...BHop has ODLH, Trindiad, Glen, and JDD...Bhop better name value but ODLH and Trinidad are not real MWs either...I'd say those 4 fights/wins for each are similar enough...BHop did stop all 4 though while GGG just stopped 2 of those 4.

I listed top 4 wins for each though because Idk who would be BHop's fifth best win at 160 lol...GGG would have Brook, Monroe, Geale, Macklin in his next crop...I just think GGG's level of comp., fight in fight out, was better than BHop's at 160...BHop kind of coasted in there between the beginning and end of his 25 fights or so at MW...and GGG sure as hell wasn't going 12 rounds with guys like Echols and Vanderpool and Simon Brown and Howard Eastman.

[Boxing_1013]

But the best official GGG wins, Jacobs and Derevyanchenko, could be scored against Golovkin

I'll give you Derevy man...that was a close fight and if not for the KD and big cut in round 2, he probably was the better man that night...for me that is the only real debatable fight GGG has had...was as close as his fight vs Ouma before the stoppage...but the Jacobs one, I mean I just don't get that one...he fought well but didn't come to win in my view and just didn't have the rounds to win...honestly thought Jacobs was closer to winning vs Canelo and still felt he lost that 7-5.

[Boxing_1013]

its amazes me how many of golovkins superfans want to compare him to bhop and think they can...they want to use bhops name and standing in the sport to prop golovkin up....

"well if you knock golovkin what about bhop".....bhop isnt a legend because of his MW reign....these clowns wilfully want to ignore that

at the end of the day golovkin will have accomplished about half of what bhop did....thats just reality

BHop faced a very high level of comp post 160...but it was a mixed bag as far as results man...he gets a ton of credit in my book regardless though, as he was in his 40s for all that stuff, and was generally always competitive even in defeat.

[Mammoth]

I'll give you Derevy man...that was a close fight and if not for the KD and big cut in round 2, he probably was the better man that night...for me that is the only real debatable fight GGG has had...was as close as his fight vs Ouma before the stoppage...but the Jacobs one, I mean I just don't get that one...he fought well but didn't come to win in my view and just didn't have the rounds to win...honestly thought Jacobs was closer to winning vs Canelo and still felt he lost that 7-5.

It doesn't matter to me how anybody personally scored GGG-Canelo I or II, the Jacobs fight or Derevyanchenko fight, the fact is they were all seen as controversial. Those were the 4 most notable fights of Golovkin's career.

He should have a one loss to Jacobs or Derevyanchenko but at least 1 win over Canelo. It's weird but it's something I figured in to who I think has the better Middleweight wins between Hopkins and Golovkin. If those weren't debatable fights I'd see it close to being a push... Still might.

[Boxing_1013]

It doesn't matter to me how anybody personally scored GGG-Canelo I or II, the Jacobs fight or Derevyanchenko fight, the fact is they were all seen as controversial. Those were the 4 most notable fights of Golovkin's career.

He should have a one loss to Jacobs or Derevyanchenko but at least 1 win over Canelo. It's weird but it's something I figured in to who I think has the better Middleweight wins between Hopkins and Golovkin. If those weren't debatable fights I'd see it close to being a push... Still might.

Yeah I just don't see the angle that they were all controversial.

But I do think 95% of fights have 1 winner...and 3 of those 4 had 1 winner for me...we may as well say that any fight that goes 12 rounds is controversial.