Who's the best HW Wilder could beat?

[KillaMane26]

Right now I would give him a chance against anybody not named Tyson Fury.

Joshua, Ruiz, Parker, Whyte are 50 -50 fights.

After Fury finishes him again, Wilder will become a punching bag and stepping stone for new young fighters.

A punching bag with a labs mine attached.

First guy( Ex. Fury) that thinks Wilder is a punching bag will be the first to get his head took off.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Honest question which of these men are better than Wilder:

Schmeling (KO'd Louis)
Galento & Braddock (dropped Louis)
Walcott (KO'd Charles)
Satterfield (KO'd Charles)
Moore (Dropped Marciano)
Ingo (won Hw title in 25 fights, KO'd mini-Tyson in 1 Round)
Whitehurst (broke listons jaw)
Cooper (dropped Ali)
Bonavena (dropped Frazier)
Wepner & Shavers (dropped Ali)
Lyle (dropped Foreman)
Shavers (damn near killed Holmes)
Douglas (KO'd Tyson)
Bowe (KO'd Holyfield)
Rahman and McCall (KO'd Lewis)
Sanders and Brewster ( KO'd young Wlad)

There are other names to be slipped in there.

The point is, casuals are blinded by myth. They can't differentiate fact from fiction. It's true there have been many great champions. It's true that Wilder is a very limited fighter whose opposition won't be making it into the HOF. But if the belt were won by skill and legacy alone, why didn't they just make Eder Jofre Champion for life?

Because it's fighting: it's inherently unpredictable. Skills and experience are more a contingency plan than a path to success. Odds and probabilities aren't destiny. And physical prowess matters; sometimes far more than skill.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Huh?

I distinctly recall Hearns giving SRL a boxing lesson in both of their fights. Sure, Tommy's chin failed him on multiple occasions but skillwise he's on par with the best to ever lace them up, IMO...

A boxing lesson?

In BOTH fights!?

Do you mind explaining?

His jab was magnificent. But Hearns lived by the sword and died by the sword: he cut a lot of weight to impose his size, but in the closing rounds that cost him much-needed stamina.

Ray mitigated Hearns' size advantage by mixing from the outside with superior footwork. He couldn't trap Ray on the ropes ,like he did Duran, Cuevas and others.

Really I'd like to know what you mean by out-boxing Ray. Can you explain?

How is Hearns more skilled Boxer than: Ross, Burkey, Graham, Griffith, Rodriguez, Napoles, Licche, Benitez, Duran, Whitaker, McGirt, Mayweather, Spence?

If you read reports of Jack Britton, he was the Willie Pep of his day.

How was Hearns more durable than: Walker, Ross, Robinson, Graham, Gavilan, Basilio?

Outside Walker and Robinson what chance do you give any of those men of beating Hearns? Of not getting bombed out?

Really, watch some Boxing. (You'll enjoy it). Then get back to me.

[kiDynamite92]

So you admit you've got no clue what you're talking about.

LMAO all you got is you can name some chumps who got dropped by lesser chumps. Chumps who'd never be put in front of Wilder today.

Come back when you can make a proper account of yourself.

How did I say that? Because I said weather I've boxed or not is irrelevant? I actually have boxed but my point is that is totally irrelevant. You need to actually go to school to learn about logic and what a fallacy is before you come and try to debate.

So you're calling Ali, Foreman, Tyson and Lewis chumps? What exactly has Wilder accomished that would tell you he can hang in the ring with them in their primes?

[JakeTheBoxer]

Honest question which of these men are better than Wilder:

Schmeling (KO'd Louis)
Galento & Braddock (dropped Louis)
Walcott (KO'd Charles)
Satterfield (KO'd Charles)
Moore (Dropped Marciano)
Ingo (won Hw title in 25 fights, KO'd mini-Tyson in 1 Round)
Whitehurst (broke listons jaw)
Cooper (dropped Ali)
Bonavena (dropped Frazier)
Wepner & Shavers (dropped Ali)
Lyle (dropped Foreman)
Shavers (damn near killed Holmes)
Douglas (KO'd Tyson)
Bowe (KO'd Holyfield)
Rahman and McCall (KO'd Lewis)
Sanders and Brewster ( KO'd young Wlad)

There are other names to be slipped in there.

The point is, casuals are blinded by myth. They can't differentiate fact from fiction. It's true there have been many great champions. It's true that Wilder is a very limited fighter whose opposition won't be making it into the HOF. But if the belt were won by skill and legacy alone, why didn't they just make Eder Jofre Champion for life?

Because it's fighting: it's inherently unpredictable. Skills and experience are more a contingency plan than a path to success. Odds and probabilities aren't destiny. And physical prowess matters; sometimes far more than skill.

So you say Wilder is in the same class as Lyle, Shaves. Or Rahman, McCall.

I have no problem with that. So you say Wilder is B level at best.

[Nay_Sayer]

A boxing lesson?

In BOTH fights!?

Do you mind explaining?

Hearns was up on the cards when the first fight was stopped and it's pretty much universally agreed that the rematch was a Brinks job. Other than Duran, who has outpointed a prime Ray Leonard?

His jab was magnificent. But Hearns lived by the sword and died by the sword: he cut a lot of weight to impose his size, but in the closing rounds that cost him much-needed stamina.

So how does this have anything to do with the price of tea in China or Hearns' skill level?

[Rusty Tromboni]

How did I say that? Because I said weather I've boxed or not is irrelevant? I actually have boxed but my point is that is totally irrelevant. You need to actually go to school to learn about logic and what a fallacy is before you come and try to debate.

So you're calling Ali, Foreman, Tyson and Lewis chumps? What exactly has Wilder accomished that would tell you he can hang in the ring with them in their primes?

I mean, none of them had the knock out power Wilder has. They all got beat by lesser men.

Have you even seen any of these guys fight?

Do you always stick your nose into conversations you know nothing about?

[Rusty Tromboni]

So you say Wilder is in the same class as Lyle, Shaves. Or Rahman, McCall.

I have no problem with that. So you say Wilder is B level at best.

So you admit you have no idea what you're talking about, and have no intention of being taken seriously; you're just a desperate attention whore.

Sounds right. I'll agree to that. Glad we could come to a mutual understanding.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Hearns was up on the cards when the first fight was stopped and it's pretty much universally agreed that the rematch was a Brinks job. Other than Duran, who has outpointed a prime Ray Leonard?


So how does this have anything to do with the price of tea in China or Hearns' skill level?

Are you coming to terms with the fact that Hearns had limited Boxing ability, compensating with size and power?

[Nay_Sayer]

Are you coming to terms with the fact that Hearns had limited Boxing ability, compensating with size and power?

Huh?

Limited boxing ability?

As I recall, Hearns, a former welter, went all the way up to LHW and gave the best guy there a thorough schooling. Did Tommy enjoy a size and power advantage @ 175?