Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

[billeau2]

So your point of saying Bellew hit Usyk therefore Toney would is that both fighters are vulnerable and can he hit?

Guess what genius, this literally applies to every fighter there has ever been.

I.e It's a meaningless, garbage point.

Just because Bellew hit Usyk doesn't mean Toney could hit Usyk like you claimed, nor does the fact inferior fighters to Bellew hit Toney mean that Usyk could Toney. It's just a totally meaningless comment in every way.

No one even said Usyk is untouchable either.

Your confused... I never corelated Toney being hit by Usyk as i explained, which I will keep doing if you like.

The correlation was the general level of competition. Want me to say it again in advance of your next post? Here I will post it again:

Your confused... I never corelated Toney being hit by Usyk as i explained, which I will keep doing if you like.

The correlation was the general level of competition. Want me to say it again in advance of your next post? Here I will post it again:

And if this did apply to every fighter that would not mean it does not apply here genius.

Some fighters are untouched at certain levels, in certain weight classes...

Roy Jones was never touched until later in his career.
Uysk was touched by an opponent, not even a heavyweight, who was winning against him. An opponent who was not exceptional in any regard particularly. Yet you critiscize Toney for faltering against fighters who were not exceptional.

Usyk has not fought so much as a pro that he should have faltered against Bellew, if he was so exceptional and so much more able than Toney.

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It's weird how even the "just good, flawed but fun" title holders of yesteryear become mythical undefeated demigods as time passes.

Chalk this up to passer-bys not having the time to watch all those old fights, but also not wanting to look wrong/******, so just piling on some vague praise. It accumulates.

Before long you have people asking how many Furys it would take to handle a single ike ibeabuchi. "Having heard stories".

[IronDanHamza]

Your confused... I never corelated Toney being hit by Usyk as i explained, which I will keep doing if you like.

The correlation was the general level of competition. Want me to say it again in advance of your next post? Here I will post it again:

Your confused... I never corelated Toney being hit by Usyk as i explained, which I will keep doing if you like.

The correlation was the general level of competition. Want me to say it again in advance of your next post? Here I will post it again:

And if this did apply to every fighter that would not mean it does not apply here genius.

Some fighters are untouched at certain levels, in certain weight classes...

Roy Jones was never touched until later in his career.
Uysk was touched by an opponent, not even a heavyweight, who was winning against him. An opponent who was not exceptional in any regard particularly. Yet you critiscize Toney for faltering against fighters who were not exceptional.

Usyk has not fought so much as a pro that he should have faltered against Bellew, if he was so exceptional and so much more able than Toney.

Erm ok AGAIN this is a direct quote from your orginal post;

"Remember how Tony Bellew could hit Usk? Toney would be able to do so as well."

That is a LITERAL correlation between Bellew hitting Usyk therefore Toney being able to do so. Literally direct correlation So no pal it is clearly you who's confused here.

Fact is your point is garbage and means nothing what so ever.

I never compared their competition nor did I critisize Toney for faltering against C level opposition either. I only RESPONDED to the posts of Usyk being a B level fighter by saying Toney arguably lost to less than B level fighters.

Once again it was you that brought up the point of Bellew hitting Usyk. It's right fucking there in black and white you saying it To supposedly point out neither are untouchable Ermmmm ok? And? Your point is?????

Who has said Usyk is superior and exceptional in comparison to Toney? I certainly haven't. Infact it's seemingly quite the opposite for the most part.

[billeau2]

Erm ok AGAIN this is a direct quote from your orginal post;

"Remember how Tony Bellew could hit Usk? Toney would be able to do so as well."

That is a LITERAL correlation between Bellew hitting Usyk therefore Toney being able to do so. Literally direct correlation So no pal it is clearly you who's confused here.

Fact is your point is garbage and means nothing what so ever.

I never compared their competition nor did I critisize Toney for faltering against C level opposition either. I only RESPONDED to the posts of Usyk being a B level fighter by saying Toney arguably lost to less than B level fighters.

Once again it was you that brought up the point of Bellew hitting Usyk. It's right fucking there in black and white you saying it To supposedly point out neither are untouchable Ermmmm ok? And? Your point is?????

Who has said Usyk is superior and exceptional in comparison to Toney? I certainly haven't. Infact it's seemingly quite the opposite for the most part.

Fact is you are grasping at straws...Ive explained my point you are being dense.

your second paragraph is incomprehensible...let me save you the trouble: B u l l S h i t! There now you do not have to retype! Thank me later.

You seem desperate to hang on to your wrong understanding of this point... Thats kind of silly. It should not even matter what you think I said because I explained it numerous times and another poster did a better job of explaining it. Stop being so dense.

Do you win some prize if I say "Gee Dan yeah it was my misquote.... So your right about a point I did not intend to make?" Lol! Whatever you think I said you read the post I indicated expained my point... Your just being dense.

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Fact is you are grasping at straws...Ive explained my point you are being dense.

your second paragraph is incomprehensible...let me save you the trouble: B u l l S h i t! There now you do not have to retype! Thank me later.

You seem desperate to hang on to your wrong understanding of this point... Thats kind of silly. It should not even matter what you think I said because I explained it numerous times and another poster did a better job of explaining it. Stop being so dense.

Do you win some prize if I say "Gee Dan yeah it was my misquote.... So your right about a point I did not intend to make?" Lol! Whatever you think I said you read the post I indicated expained my point... Your just being dense.

The guy uses logical fallacies to get his point across. No point arguing with that mouth breather

[IronDanHamza]

Fact is you are grasping at straws...Ive explained my point you are being dense.

your second paragraph is incomprehensible...let me save you the trouble: B u l l S h i t! There now you do not have to retype! Thank me later.

You seem desperate to hang on to your wrong understanding of this point... Thats kind of silly. It should not even matter what you think I said because I explained it numerous times and another poster did a better job of explaining it. Stop being so dense.

Do you win some prize if I say "Gee Dan yeah it was my misquote.... So your right about a point I did not intend to make?" Lol! Whatever you think I said you read the post I indicated expained my point... Your just being dense.

It is literally a direct quote though Is it not?

If your point of Bellew being able to hit Usyk therefore Toney would is that both are vulnerable then congratulations mate Meaningless statement.

Who ever said Usyk isn’t vulnerable?

[IronDanHamza]

The guy uses logical fallacies to get his point across. No point arguing with that mouth breather

Yeah actually no I don’t. You just struggle with the truth.

This is a guy who said Toney dominated and finessed McCallum in the rematch I.e YOU DONT LIVE IN REALITY

[billeau2]

It is literally a direct quote though Is it not?

If your point of Bellew being able to hit Usyk therefore Toney would is that both are vulnerable then congratulations mate Meaningless statement.

Who ever said Usyk isn’t vulnerable?

No thats not my point....Mate. Why don't you read the post that I said clarified my point? Fighters perform against levels of opposition, and when they falter at the same level of opposition it means that they have at least that similarity. Uysk who has not fought nearly as much as Toney, already was touched up a bit against a fighter who is good, along the lines that Gatti was good. Toney fought a lot longer, was indeed more inconsistent, but also beat more quality opponents than Usyk.

Hence we should see what Usyk will do before we declare his style alone would be too much for Toney.

For example, lets see how he does against Chisora. Toney was able to fight some of the best heavies from that time, and be competative.

[IronDanHamza]

No thats not my point....Mate. Why don't you read the post that I said clarified my point? Fighters perform against levels of opposition, and when they falter at the same level of opposition it means that they have at least that similarity. Uysk who has not fought nearly as much as Toney, already was touched up a bit against a fighter who is good, along the lines that Gatti was good. Toney fought a lot longer, was indeed more inconsistent, but also beat more quality opponents than Usyk.

Hence we should see what Usyk will do before we declare his style alone would be too much for Toney.

For example, lets see how he does against Chisora. Toney was able to fight some of the best heavies from that time, and be competative.

Who said Usyk will be too much for Toney?

The fact Bellew hit Usyk is irrelevant, is the long and short of it.

Which of these best Heavyweights did Toney face?

I guess Peter was what? Top 10? And he was competitive and arguably won the first one.

Other than that he has nothing at Heavyweight.

[billeau2]

Who said Usyk will be too much for Toney?

The fact Bellew hit Usyk is irrelevant, is the long and short of it.

Which of these best Heavyweights did Toney face?

I guess Peter was what? Top 10? And he was competitive and arguably won the first one.

Other than that he has nothing at Heavyweight.

Tied Rahman who was decent and Peter, who he beat that first fight by any sane conclusion. He also beat Holly.

Its not irrelevant Dan! Sorry... It shows performance at a certain level. For example, if we were having a similar discussion about Jones prior to Tarver things were not the same. Jones was so far ahead of the competition that he never got touched. Obviously thats not the case with all fighters who fight a mean of the good fighters out there, now is it?