Greater fighter: Fury or Andre Ward?

[kafkod]

right now it's definitely andre ward. better fighter on the eye test and in accomplishments. fury's best win is still an ancient wladimir klitschko.


you all called deontay wilder a bum, for the record. you can't call the guy who beat him great off of that. not how it works if you want to stay an honest man.

By the same logic, nobody can devalue Fury's win over Wilder unless they were calling Wilder a bum before Fury beat him, and there weren't many people doing that after Deontay's wins over Ortiz.

And btw, did you tip Fury to beat "the ancient Wladimir Klitschko" in Dusseldorf?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Who accomplished more between Fury and Ward?

Fury by leaps and bounds.


I'm astonished the question is even being asked.

Fury is the GOAT. No one, outside of Vitali, would last 12 rounds with the guy that ****d Wilder last month.

Ward, on the other hand, isn't even the best in the most pitiful ever excuse of a division (Super Middleweight).

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wrong again, Wlad landed 36.7% of his punches against Joshua, only 23% against Fury.

Stiverne was World Champ, only one loss on his record and he beat America's best to get belt.

Learn some boxing knowledge and you might have better idea how to judge fighters.

That dude thinks Bud " What's a 'Defense' anyway?" Crawford is one of the most skilled Boxers in the game.

And he doesn't get numbers.

[Rusty Tromboni]

right now it's definitely andre ward. better fighter on the eye test and in accomplishments. fury's best win is still an ancient wladimir klitschko.


you all called deontay wilder a bum, for the record. you can't call the guy who beat him great off of that. not how it works if you want to stay an honest man.

Spoken like a true cuck.


Listen, leave the discussion to people whose idea of breaking a sweat isn't sitting watching ****Hub in mom's basement.

Take your cheeto-stained **** elsewhere, casual.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ward only agreed to take part in the super 6 tournament after he was guaranteed that all his fights would take place in the US. After the tournament ended he was offered career high money to rematch Kessler in Denmark and Froch in the UK, and he turned both offers down.

The difference between Fury and Ward is that Fury can beat the best in his division anywhere on earth, Ward couldn't do that.

Fury's win over Wlad easily tops Ward's best wins, and the same can arguably be said of his win over Wilder.

Fury also outeeighs Ward by 100 pounds and can say he's the most evasive and defensively skilled fighter his division has ever seen.

And he can finish opponents without fouling.

[billeau2]

Who accomplished more between Fury and Ward?

History needs to happen and then perhaps... there can be some way to create Parity. Heres your problem: Ill illustrate the problem with an example from Thai Boxing. Professional Thai boxing is probably followed by more individuals than any other boxing endevour... The population is so great in South East Asia, and this sport has a tremendous following in the area.

In Thai boxing nobody knows, or really cares much who the heavyweight champ is. The real skillful fighters, the men who are considered the great champions are all middle weight and down. And why not? Statistically most human beings in that area do not weigh in at the heavyweight type sizes. So it is just accepted that If I am fighting in a division with most of the talent in an area with a good part of the world's population, I must be realllllly good, where as if I am uncharacteristically big, and fighting other such men, the competition is not there.

We don't understand that reasoning in boxing, but it applies in certain respects. To this day most boxers enter the sport middle weight and below. That means that like in Thai boxing, the most talented fighters will fight below heavyweight. Its not as obvious because people have a different understanding of what it means to be the heavyweight champ, but lets see how this applies regarding your question.

If you look at many ATG fighters that are not heavy weights, because of the amount of talent in the division, which is partially a product of how many average people are at a particular weigh, chances are, a great fighter fought against at least one other great fighter.

If you actually look at great ATG heavyweights you will see that most of them did not have a chance to fight a fellow ATG at prime weight. So for example, while Ali was remarkable and lucky to be able to fight in a division full of talented ATG level fighters, Holmes fought relatively good, but not great talent. Jack Johnson, an obviously talented fighter, fought guys who were no more than very good fighters...Or smaller fighters, Joe Louis, fought many decent fighters, but not really a fellow great, Dempsey? was lucky to have Tunney who was one of, if not the best light heavy...but Sharkey hardly qualifies as an ATG fighter.

You will find that what I am describing to you is pretty much the case for most great heavy weights. The only exceptions I have seen regarding competition are Lewis, Holyfield (lost to them but fought some great comp) and of course the guys in the 70's like Ali, Frazier, Norton, etc.

By now if you are a reasonably intelligent individual you can see my point: We cannot compare a fighter like Fury who may well prove to be an ATG without ever fighting a fellow ATG fighter, with a fighter like Ward, who fights at a weight where he is expected to encounter many great fighters...some of whom might prove to be ATG's.

I feel for Ward...Kovalev turned out to be a bit of a bust, I was hoping that he would turn out to be a real trophy for Ward, who fought the absolute best he could.

In any case, the comparison would have to allow for parity regarding the average talent for each division, and... to let history shed some light on fighters like Froch, Kovalev, Joshua, Klitsko, before we decide to judge greatness in these two excellent fighters.

It is ironic that Fury has Klitchko as a scalp! Not a bad name to have on the resume.

[billeau2]

I not only know Ward's resume, I know the fights and the details pre-fight.

Maybe you are fooled by simply looking into the win column.

What a silly thing to say.

Fooled? Im reading here, as a fan of both guys, seeing how people reason this out. Actually Ward DOMINATED the best in his division. So how would one be "fooled" looking at the win column? When we talk about fighters that showed that level of domination we are talking about Jones, Mayweather. Do you realize that when a fight off for the light middle weight championship was had, Ward was not picked to win? Yet he did not just win...he dominated the competition.

And this BS about Ward staying in Oakland really chafes my @33 Everybody 5hits on Oakland, it needed someone like Ward to represent. And Oakland is not siberia!! Not only does it have hotels, venues for everything that Vegas does, but its an hour flight from Vegas.

Why in fvk's name does Vegas get to have every venue? If you can go to Vegas for a fight, you can go to Oakland. Judah can fight in Brooklyn, but Ward wanting to fight an hour away from Vegas is such an inconvenience? Oakland could use the money trust me.

[Larry the boss]

Ward, far better resume and accomplishments

[joseph5620]

Ward, far better resume and accomplishments

That's the factual answer and nothing else needs to be said. Anybody claiming Fury or even trying to make it close looks like a clueless idiot and a casual. There are people that follow the sport and there are people that latch on to certain fighters for their agenda and hate other fighters because of that agenda.

Anybody that can't tell the difference between their resumes or keep their bias in check shouldn't even attempt to talk about boxing.

[Imaboxingfan]

Ward cleaned out 168 and beat the best 175lb fighter when he moved up.

Fury is a good fighter and has some good wins but has not yet cleaned out a division yet. So if we are measuring accomplishments i have to go with ward