Deontay Wilder plummets from official ranking.

[TonyGe]

https://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

[Marchegiano]

Got ya...where would you rank Wilder currently?

Honestly, I don't know. I just posted one with him at third but that's just being fair, imo, to his title run compared to others.

I'm not sure of him anymore myself. It was a spectacularly one sided affair and he's not done or said anything to give me confidence he'll evolve his game at all.

It could be more than TF kicked his ass. He's also shown other competent learners how to kick his ass. Wilder's not shown he is actually a competent learner. It isn't power I'm actually a major fan of, it's sword and shield boxing. Wilder does do that, but, he's not grown in a while and I'm not sure he realizes he needs to.

Before his loss I'd say things like " I wish he learn more line-of-sight". Now it's more like, mother ****er best to learn some line of sight before he gets his ass kicked again.

I really don't know if Wilder can come back.

That said, there are certain fighters tailored for Wilder as is who simply are incapable of punishing Wilder like Fury had.

I do not believe any of Wilder's old foes are a serious threat to him now that Fury has shown them how.

I do not believe undersized, out of shape, or old HWs have any business challenging Wilder.

I am not sure, and I do not mean just Joshua, about Wilder's standing against other current full size and inshape HWs.

To say that differently I used to believe Wilder would steamroll Parker and Ruiz. Now I'm still pretty sure Ruiz is just too slow. Parker though, he might actually beat the **** outta Deontay....or get steamrolled...I dunno.

I think I need to see more to be confident in a placement myself. I can go with 3 and make a case for it, but, I don't have any heart into it and I'm still kinda searching myself.

That's why I looked at the officials. I was pretty damn well floored and atm I'm not quite sure what to think... Et tu WBC?

I still think Joshua's stiff for a h2h with Wilder, but, I definitely would rate him above Wilder at the moment. I'm considering joining the Team josh boys. ****EM does make me laugh....Josh is very talented. I dunno, but I know I rank him second to only Tyson who I only rank over Josh because he did not lose his titles to anyone and has won all four so is the closest to an undisputed since Lennox. Not because he beat Wilder....although I do believe that's a better win than any of Josh's outside of Wlad.


Anyway, I know for sure Fury 1, Josh 2, maybe Wilder 3, maybe as low as 8 to 10.

I'm not too miffed about him believing a suit change will help him, he's just dumb, but, I do wish he'd indicate he's changing something in training too.

Wilder with a higher output, more composure under pressure, and line of sight baits can still rule the division if not be a sure fired third man for the era.

Wilder who falls apart when pressured can get beat by quite a few guys I think.

I need to see him truly pressured by someone not named Fury after the TF ass whoopin. If he can handle it from say Parker or even Pulev then I'd be more confident only Fury can do that to him, but until then I can't really give you a satisfying answer....just long rambles where I can't make my goddamn mind up.

Spit some perspective at me if you like. I'm very open to it presently.

[Boxing_1013]

Honestly, I don't know. I just posted one with him at third but that's just being fair, imo, to his title run compared to others.

I'm not sure of him anymore myself. It was a spectacularly one sided affair and he's not done or said anything to give me confidence he'll evolve his game at all.

It could be more than TF kicked his ass. He's also shown other competent learners how to kick his ass. Wilder's not shown he is actually a competent learner. It isn't power I'm actually a major fan of, it's sword and shield boxing. Wilder does do that, but, he's not grown in a while and I'm not sure he realizes he needs to.

Before his loss I'd say things like " I wish he learn more line-of-sight". Now it's more like, mother ****er best to learn some line of sight before he gets his ass kicked again.

I really don't know if Wilder can come back.

That said, there are certain fighters tailored for Wilder as is who simply are incapable of punishing Wilder like Fury had.

I do not believe any of Wilder's old foes are a serious threat to him now that Fury has shown them how.

I do not believe undersized, out of shape, or old HWs have any business challenging Wilder.

I am not sure, and I do not mean just Joshua, about Wilder's standing against other current full size and inshape HWs.

To say that differently I used to believe Wilder would steamroll Parker and Ruiz. Now I'm still pretty sure Ruiz is just too slow. Parker though, he might actually beat the **** outta Deontay....or get steamrolled...I dunno.

I think I need to see more to be confident in a placement myself. I can go with 3 and make a case for it, but, I don't have any heart into it and I'm still kinda searching myself.

That's why I looked at the officials. I was pretty damn well floored and atm I'm not quite sure what to think... Et tu WBC?

I still think Joshua's stiff for a h2h with Wilder, but, I definitely would rate him above Wilder at the moment. I'm considering joining the Team josh boys. ****EM does make me laugh....Josh is very talented. I dunno, but I know I rank him second to only Tyson who I only rank over Josh because he did not lose his titles to anyone and has won all four so is the closest to an undisputed since Lennox. Not because he beat Wilder....although I do believe that's a better win than any of Josh's outside of Wlad.


Anyway, I know for sure Fury 1, Josh 2, maybe Wilder 3, maybe as low as 8 to 10.

I'm not too miffed about him believing a suit change will help him, he's just dumb, but, I do wish he'd indicate he's changing something in training too.

Wilder with a higher output, more composure under pressure, and line of sight baits can still rule the division if not be a sure fired third man for the era.

Wilder who falls apart when pressured can get beat by quite a few guys I think.

I need to see him truly pressured by someone not named Fury after the TF ass whoopin. If he can handle it from say Parker or even Pulev then I'd be more confident only Fury can do that to him, but until then I can't really give you a satisfying answer....just long rambles where I can't make my goddamn mind up.

Spit some perspective at me if you like. I'm very open to it presently.

Thanks for the detailed reply man...we seem to more or less share the same sentiment on Wilder.

I would maybe put him still number 2...just because to me his loss was similarly 1-sided...but I rate Fury much higher than Ruiz...but I could see how someone would put AJ 2.

I would have to put Wilder 3, mainly because I can't really think of anyone else at HW I would really give a good shot to beat him...I don't think most can do what Fury did...they don't have what Fury has.

Wilder is a 1 trick pony..but it is a very good trick..I am more disappointed in his lack of stamina in fight 2 tbh...that was always such a huge asset for him...and then, for whatever reason, it was awful in fight 2 vs Fury and really hurt him...his 1 punch ability seemed non-existent after a few rounds, and usually that is always an option.

I am interested to see how he re-groups...I tend to think the stamina thing was a 1 off - whether it was the weight gain/bad training/Fury weight advantage and gameplan - or a combination...and that he will have that in his arsenal going forward.

I would still honestly favor him over any other HW right now, besides Fury...I think at some point, probably early for most of those guys, he will land the right hand and they won't take it nearly as well as Fury did in fight 2.

Who knows though...been wrong before...will be interested to see what happens with Wilder...I really hope we get to see him vs AJ and Whyte now...would be big fights I think!

[Zonkmeister]

Wilder is a 1 trick pony..but it is a very good trick..I am more disappointed in his lack of stamina in fight 2 tbh...that was always such a huge asset for him...and then, for whatever reason, it was awful in fight 2 vs Fury and really hurt him...his 1 punch ability seemed non-existent after a few rounds, and usually that is always an option.

I don't think it was a stamina issue, he simply ate too many shots and then had Fury's huge ass hanging on him whenever they'd clinch. His legs were gone.

Marchegiano - unless Wilder breaks mentally (which could very well happen, but we'll see), I believe he's still a tough ask for pretty much any HW out there. Because Fury did not simply beat him by pressuring him - it's how he did it that matters. He pressured him whilst outboxing him at the same time, utilizing his ability to get into firing range quickly whilst being able to move him around the ring pretty much as he pleased. F. in. let's take Kownacki vs. Helenius - Kow put way much more heat on Helenius than Fury did on Wilder (in the early rounds, at least), actually, but it was all *banzaaaaaai* and in return he ate some serious shots and went down, as was bound to happen.

If he decides to continue after the third Fury fight, it'd be very interesting to see him fight on. He actually might get some more highlight reel KOs on guys who'd attempt to pressure him and fail.

[NYG]

I can't stand Wilder but he probably knocks out most of those guys except Fury, let's be honest here

[REdrUm0351]

Wilder will make one of the greatest comebacks in heavyweight history!

Nearly everyone is counting him completely out and giving all the praise to Fury so it should be the same or magnified when he wins as a huge underdog and under disadvantages at skills and size!

I know you expect people to be fair but thats rare among boxing fans. I would give him his credit though. It would be something for him to come back and win despite that awful loss. I doubt it but we should all give credit where its due. Even if he lost idk how people cannot see him as number 2. Its so hard to gauge Joshua after the Ruiz of the first bout didn’t show up for the second.

[Rusty Tromboni]

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It's hilarious.

I am so happy it happened.

Buuut it does make the rankings look questionable.

I'd he'd been battered by a nobody, i could understand a drastic reduction in rank. But he lost only to the best Heavyweight to ever live.

The spot behind first is SECOND. Even tykes know that. So why is Wilder not 2nd? Why is he out of the to 15?

It causes people to question the validity of the rankings.

But i'm with you... it's hilarious that it happened to Wilder.

[REdrUm0351]

Thanks for the detailed reply man...we seem to more or less share the same sentiment on Wilder.

I would maybe put him still number 2...just because to me his loss was similarly 1-sided...but I rate Fury much higher than Ruiz...but I could see how someone would put AJ 2.

I would have to put Wilder 3, mainly because I can't really think of anyone else at HW I would really give a good shot to beat him...I don't think most can do what Fury did...they don't have what Fury has.

Wilder is a 1 trick pony..but it is a very good trick..I am more disappointed in his lack of stamina in fight 2 tbh...that was always such a huge asset for him...and then, for whatever reason, it was awful in fight 2 vs Fury and really hurt him...his 1 punch ability seemed non-existent after a few rounds, and usually that is always an option.

I am interested to see how he re-groups...I tend to think the stamina thing was a 1 off - whether it was the weight gain/bad training/Fury weight advantage and gameplan - or a combination...and that he will have that in his arsenal going forward.

I would still honestly favor him over any other HW right now, besides Fury...I think at some point, probably early for most of those guys, he will land the right hand and they won't take it nearly as well as Fury did in fight 2.

Who knows though...been wrong before...will be interested to see what happens with Wilder...I really hope we get to see him vs AJ and Whyte now...would be big fights I think!

I don’t know, I consider Fury 1 atm and Wilder 2. Its really hard to gauge Joshua after the Ruiz debacle. If the same Ruiz showed up for the second fight I might of been able to lean towards Joshua as 2 but Ruiz was a shell. That puts a big question mark over Joshua while with Wilder theres no shame in losing to the best. I get the hesitation as in its the way he lost to Fury. We definitely need to see 2020 play out. If Wilder loses again I hope he bounces back and fights Whyte or Ruiz while Fury fights Joshua. Exciting stuff.

[SN!PER]

WBC has updated their rankings.

https://wbcboxing.com/en/heavy/

[Boxing_1013]

I don't think it was a stamina issue, he simply ate too many shots and then had Fury's huge ass hanging on him whenever they'd clinch. His legs were gone.

Marchegiano - unless Wilder breaks mentally (which could very well happen, but we'll see), I believe he's still a tough ask for pretty much any HW out there. Because Fury did not simply beat him by pressuring him - it's how he did it that matters. He pressured him whilst outboxing him at the same time, utilizing his ability to get into firing range quickly whilst being able to move him around the ring pretty much as he pleased. F. in. let's take Kownacki vs. Helenius - Kow put way much more heat on Helenius than Fury did on Wilder (in the early rounds, at least), actually, but it was all *banzaaaaaai* and in return he ate some serious shots and went down, as was bound to happen.

If he decides to continue after the third Fury fight, it'd be very interesting to see him fight on. He actually might get some more highlight reel KOs on guys who'd attempt to pressure him and fail.

Right...when forced to make a pick in that fight, I actually picked Fury to win, by that same gameplan, similar to what he did vs Cunningham...I just did not expect Wilder to tire SO early in that fight...that was the really staggering part...I wasn't surprised that he only went 7 rounds or so.

But he was done after like 3 rounds lol...and then hung in there...gained respect for his heart though...but to be fair I knew he had that after him vs Ortiz 1.

With all due respect...thinking Kownacki can do what Fury did...absurd man...Wilder would very likely line him up if he tries to rumble in...and it is very different punching down than punching up or even...no one else will have that height advantage that Fury did...and that will take some of Wilder's power away naturally.