Oscar calls out PBC

[Ray*]

I am 'pro-boxer', which leads to one question: what boxer under the PBC banner is complaining about their money or how their career is being guided?

There are stories out there right now that Canelo isnt even on personal speaking terms with OLDH/Golden Boy. What is the PBC equivalent of this?

What has got to do with my post? Mike Tyson could teach you a thing or two. Seems a lot of you are more for the promoter than the boxers. Most of these pro boxers are uneducated, I hope your education would help you as a pro-boxer.

[Sweet Jones]

It's still foul how Haymon took all those fighters and almost ruined Oscar's company.

Please explain how he 'took' those fighters. They were already Haymon clients, didn't have a signed deal with GB (which it could be argued was the smartest way to handle your business) and bounced.

What's the problem?

Why didn't he build fighters from scratch on his own and create PBC that way, instead of screwing over another man to get ahead?

Do you have the same energy for Golden Boy 'taking' Canelo from (and being sued by) his previous promotional outfit (Allstar Boxing) ?

To this day it can be argued that Haymon still doesn't know how to build a superstar. Floyd would have blown up with or without him.

You think Mayweather goes on to be the highest grossing boxer of all time 'with or without' Haymon? Based on what?

[Sweet Jones]

“I want all my Boxing Fans to know that I’m not happy With my Manager Al Haymon and My Promoter Tom Brown,” Martirosyan wrote on his Twitter account. “They are holding me back! I have too much respect for this bull-. They don’t wanna answer my Calls But they Answer my Tweets! IMO. Champs Keep Cherry Picking Around each other! #FreeVanes”.

And then reality sunk in:

Vanes: I Regret Bad-Mouthing Haymon, I'd Go Back Immediately
By Boxing Clever Published On Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:38 AM EST

Vanes: I Regret Bad-Mouthing Haymon, I'd Go Back Immediately
By Boxing Clever Published On Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:38 AM EST

Junior middleweight Vanes Martirosyan (36-4-1, 21 KOs) is regretting his departure from Al Haymon's Premier Boxing Champions banner.

Back in 2017, Vanes was a bit frustrated with career push and made a decision to part ways with Haymon.

Vanes would eventually sign with veteran promoter Don King.

As BoxingScene.com previously reported, Vanes is on the verge of retirement from the sport, after sitting on the shelf since getting out knocked out by then middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin in May 2018. Vanes came in as a late replacement for Canelo Alvarez, who failed a drug test.

The contest with Golovkin was Vanes' first bout in two years time.

Haymon's company is flourishing at the moment, with multi-year content deals with Showime, Fox Sports and ITV.

If Haymon decides to open his door, Vanes would love to return to the PBC stable.

"The one thing I regret in my career is bad-mouthing Al Haymon because I have nothing bad to say about him, I was just upset with the people in the company that were not treating me right and I took it out on him," Vanes told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.

"That was a mistake I made and if want him to know that I’m thankful for him. I’m not saying that for him to take me back, I just want him to know that I’m thankful for him. I sat back and I thought about my career and my whole life and how things went and he’s one person I shouldn’t have bad-mouthed him and I’m sorry for that.

"I don’t need an offer from Haymon. If Haymon wants to accept me back, I would go to him immediately and I would want him in my boxing life. At the end of the day, he takes care of his fighters. He took care of me also.

"His fighters make good money and a lot of people hate on the amount the fighters makes because it’s a lot of money, but they don’t know what we go through outside of boxing. The punishment we take in our brains, we are getting brain damage and I think we need to be paid for that instead of the people outside who are running the show getting more money than the fighters. That’s the thing I like about Al Haymon, that he really does care about his fighters. If he’s willing to do something, I’m ready to go."

Gary Russell too has made complaints. Most of these guys are happy with the millions and not having to fight anyone. It’s very comfortable at PBC when you have no desire to challenge yourself, it just becomes a typical job you simply show up to. Like it has been said since the early days, and it doesn’t seem to have changed, Haymon is great for the fighters, but terrible for the sport.

Dude, GRJ be in his own world. Even PBC fans cant get a guage on him. According to GRJ, he's not tied to the PBC.

“I’m a complete free agent. I’m not with PBC,” Russell said to **********.

”We have a great business relationship and we’re working with PBC, but I’m not locked in to any manager, promoter or any specific network. I’m 100% a free agent.”

[Sweet Jones]

What has got to do with my post? Mike Tyson could teach you a thing or two. Seems a lot of you are more for the promoter than the boxers. Most of these pro boxers are uneducated, I hope your education would help you as a pro-boxer.

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

The BOXERS themselves with the PBC seem way more comfortable dealing with Al Haymon's model (PBC) than the previous and current models (promoter/network-controls-all-aspects-of-my-career).

The people in the profession themselves are telling you which model they believe is 'pro-boxer'. But now all of sudden, they're too 'uneducated' to understand? Come on now.

Again, why even state that 'you as a poster should be for the boxer' then ignore their own self determinations when they pick and stay true to a different model?

[Outwest Exp 355]

It's still foul how Haymon took all those fighters and almost ruined Oscar's company.

Why didn't he build fighters from scratch on his own and create PBC that way, instead of screwing over another man to get ahead?

To this day it can be argued that Haymon still doesn't know how to build a superstar. Floyd would have blown up with or without him.

Al let GB promote all of his biggest fighters not just Floyd. And they were paid for their services. Multi fight deal or fight by fight deal what’s the difference when Al’s throwing all the work your way? Oscar would’ve had to surrender some control over the fighters but so what. You have the biggest stable in boxing throwing all their business your way and he still found a way to complain.

[Ray*]

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

The BOXERS themselves with the PBC seem way more comfortable dealing with Al Haymon's model (PBC) than the previous and current models (promoter/network-controls-all-aspects-of-my-career).

The people in the profession themselves are telling you which model they believe is 'pro-boxer'. But now all of sudden, they're too 'uneducated' to understand? Come on now.

Again, why even state that 'you as a poster should be for the boxer' then ignore their own self determinations when they pick and stay true to a different model?

The boxers are uneducated and manipulated, the fact that you cannot see that means you have a very very poor judgement. Like I said you are more for the promoter than the boxers, Mike Tyson can teach you a few things. Because a boxer hasn’t complain is what you are going by? I feel sorry for you.

If you think a promoter stopping a boxer from earning more money, just to suit the promoters business partners, and you think that’s great for the boxers, then I don’t know how to help you.

[The Big Dunn]

It's still foul how Haymon took all those fighters and almost ruined Oscar's company.

Why didn't he build fighters from scratch on his own and create PBC that way, instead of screwing over another man to get ahead?

To this day it can be argued that Haymon still doesn't know how to build a superstar. Floyd would have blown up with or without him.

Top Rank takes fighters that are already developed all the time, as does ODH. They build some into champions and some int contenders for those champions.

[joseph5620]

Honestly there is a reason why I don’t discuss with you. You seriously waiting for me to show you a boxer that was manipulated? Seriously? You genuinely asking that? Wow... I don’t give a phuck if you think am objective or not. I know PBC is bad for boxing currently, just like I knew they were good for boxing in the beginning, you can cry and get your knickers in a twist all you want.

You can't speak for fighters by claiming they were"manipulated" if they haven't made that claim. I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. Why do you assume you know something the fighters don't know?

If you can't name the fighters that speaks for itself. You keep saying " bad for boxing" " manipulated" without giving examples as if people are just supposed to take your word for it. Don't cry because I see through your BS.

[Sweet Jones]

The boxers are uneducated and manipulated, the fact that you cannot see that means you have a very very poor judgement. Like I said you are more for the promoter than the boxers, Mike Tyson can teach you a few things. Because a boxer hasn’t complain is what you are going by? I feel sorry for you.

Oh, I get it now. You, Mr. self proclaimed 'Pro Boxer' are mad, not because these 'uneducated' fighters are being manipulated, but because they are NOT being manipulated in a way that you like (as a fan). You seem to just want to go back to the old 'fighting for the most butter biscuits' days because you've convinced yourself that's all these 'uneducated' fighters care about is the next purse.

Your logic would have us believe that all that Haymon clientele is turning down better deals with more money to remain in a WORSE situation, one that pays less and offers less career opportunities/fights. Do you really believe that? Honestly?

Haymon would have to be a manipulator on the Ras***** scale to pull that off.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys, as 'uneducated' as they are, understand a better deal when they see one.

If you think a promoter stopping a boxer from earning more money, just to suit the promoters business partners, and you think that’s great for the boxers, then I don’t know how to help you.

Which current promotional outfit and/or network in boxing is this statement NOT true about? Can AJ or Canelo leave DAZN to fight on Showtime for more money right now? Can Lomo or Crawford ignore his Top Rank deal and not fight on ESPN right now for 'more money'?

I'll wait.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The boxers are uneducated and manipulated, the fact that you cannot see that means you have a very very poor judgement. Like I said you are more for the promoter than the boxers, Mike Tyson can teach you a few things. Because a boxer hasn’t complain is what you are going by? I feel sorry for you.

If you think a promoter stopping a boxer from earning more money, just to suit the promoters business partners, and you think that’s great for the boxers, then I don’t know how to help you.

Ray, don’t bother with the Infallible Haymonites. The guys whom are debating you are LDBc PBc fanboys.

When PBC revoked media credentials from these racist Haymonite loyalists the main leaders of the LDBC (whom compose of 300k youtube boxing fans) said that Al Haymon is doing “something wrong.” One of the channel’s, Barbershops Conversations (Fred Hawthorne) said he was going against Al Haymon and many of the LDBC Channels reciprocated that Haymon is ruining PBC because it employs Kelly Swanson. These same crew have flip flopped to go against the NFL to now supporting it again, vowing that they wouldn’t support the racist NFL organization.

The point is these dummies you debate with won’t own up, only some do. Guess like you and ShoulderRoll who were heavy PBC supporters aren’t afraid to tell the bad with PBC, and yes, it has changed its business model to a heavily insecure project trying to stay afloat.

This is why I always made the LDBc threads because these posters are all affiliated to that dreck. They are like the PAC beat Floyd in slow motion mindsets except that they are motivated to play race cards and victimhood.