Oscar calls out PBC

[The Big Dunn]

WOW. We will end it there then. They are saying the EXACT SAME THINGS as me but you guna seperate what they say and what i say because even though its the same complaints about the same things you claim i am saying them for different reasons. LOLOLOLOLOL.

Forget it mate. Wasting my time, We aint going to get anywhere like this, you may as well just of said Afro Americans say it for their reasons but i say the same things cuz i may be a racist. LOLOL. Just go back to calling me a white supremacist its easier all round.

So you're mad when I used to call you a racist. When I stop doing that, you get mad and say I should've called you a white supremacist any way.

There are multiple ways to arrive at the same destination as you are well aware. Your criticisms of PBC are judged based on your reputation on NSB. Others that criticize PBC don't have that same reputation, so it is completely understandable why your motivation will be seen as different from theirs.

I am willing to bet the "afro americans" you refer to don't have "THE PBC WILL FREEEEEEZE YOU OUT!!!!!!!" in their sig.

[OnePunch]

Oscar used him for violation of the Ali act and a judge threw the case out of court. So who should I trust? A California judge or your ****ed up bias opinion? For me the answer is easy.

The judge did not dismiss the case because he didnt think Haymon crossed the line. He dismissed it because Golden Boy couldnt prove SPECIFIC damages due to Haymons conduct.

2 totally different things.......

[OnePunch]

They're basically what modern fans think a promoter is, but they're not a promoter as defined by federal law and they're not a promoter based on the traditional definition either.

They have a direct, and indirect interest in the promotional activities of the fighter. They sell broadcast rights, they sell tickets, and they sell advertising.

They are a promoter. Period.

[OnePunch]

... every promoter from the PBC's competition -- i.e. rival TV and streaming platforms...

... Al Haymon has his broadcast contracts with FOX, Showtime, etc... and he acts accordingly -- he deasn't let his very top tier fighters on DAZN or ESPN...

and that is a CLEAR conflict of interest

[boliodogs]

I don't believe Oscar offered Jermall a ton of money to fight Canelo. Oscar has been asked before how much money he offered Jermall and he always refuses to say. This offer took place long before Canelo fought so why is he talking about it damn near a year later instead of telling us all about it back when it supposedly happened? Canelo has no opponent right now. If he is sincere about Canelo fighting Jermall then go public with an offer to Jermall to fight Canelo stating how much money Jermall would get and let the fans decide who is avoiding the fight. As far as working with other promoters goes Oscar is so tight he rubs the buffalo off the nickle before he turns loose of it. Other promoters might work with him if they got good offers but not with the lowball offers Oscar gives them.

[boliodogs]

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At this fool trying to make out Haymon is the victim. Haymon stole all GBP fighters and is using loop holes to break the Ali act. Haymon is the fighters manager, he's not allowed to be the promoter too but we all know he is.

[DaNeutral.]

So you're mad when I used to call you a racist. When I stop doing that, you get mad and say I should've called you a white supremacist any way.

There are multiple ways to arrive at the same destination as you are well aware. Your criticisms of PBC are judged based on your reputation on NSB. Others that criticize PBC don't have that same reputation, so it is completely understandable why your motivation will be seen as different from theirs.

I am willing to bet the "afro americans" you refer to don't have "THE PBC WILL FREEEEEEZE YOU OUT!!!!!!!" in their sig.

LOL you stopped calling me a racist but you havnt changed, you stil inferring it all the same.

You have just told me that even though there are Afro Americans making the exact same complaints as me im only saying them to be racist cuz Al is black. For some reason you cant accept that im making the exact same complaints because i see it exactly the same way. To you they say it cuz thats how they feel but i say it cuz im racist.

Finally no black or white people have "the PBC will freeze you out" Only i have it. But you are under the wrong assumption it is because Al Haymon is black and i want to see a black mans business fail. You feel that because i dont have the same energy for white mans Top Rank or White mans DAZN. But like i said, in my opinion they are taking the shady practices to a whole new level. It is getting ridiculous and out of control. An opinion shared by many black people.

[joseph5620]

Do you really think everyone is just against PBC just because they are good? Or because their leader is black (According to some posters)? No!

I was one of the biggest PBC bumlickers on here when they first landed in boxing, I love everything about them. They offered free boxing on my screens, I was able to watch American based fights on Boxnation over here in the UK.

I have had many arguments with those who oppose them in the beginning for whatever reasons they came up with at that time.

But then PBC changed their business model, they started preventing fights, started manipulating the boxers, started playing politics and just made boxing worse IMHO.

We already had politics in boxing, this is why I hated Bob Arum for sooooooo long, but the same people/posters who were with me, when I use to shit on Bob Arum for example, are the same ones endorsing PBC model now!!!

The same posters that make excuses for why the PBC top names shouldn't take another fight, against their rival in boxing (Not in terms of network) because it would hurt the promotional company that is PBC (Haymon).

Why should you as a fan care about PBC (Haymon)? He isn't your father, you as a poster should be for the boxer, and if it means the boxer getting paid 20M to fight on ESPN then criticise them if they are NOT taking those opportunities, when they are getting paid 4M for the same fight plus the fake under the table monies.

So Oscar is right, Arum is right (Gosh that feels weird), Hearn is right, Lou di bella is right, PBC has been preventing fighting, not for the benefit of the boxers but for the benefit of the people that PBC are aligned with.

Show me one boxer that said PBC manipulated them. You're just throwing baseless accusations out there and hoping it sticks. I find it funny how you claim all of these other promoters are "right" when they have made a career out of what they accuse PBC of doing. You can't pretend you're being objective here when you're clearly taking sides.

PBC works with other promoters all the time. Claiming they don't is a flat out lie.

[joseph5620]

The judge did not dismiss the case because he didnt think Haymon crossed the line. He dismissed it because Golden Boy couldnt prove SPECIFIC damages due to Haymons conduct.

2 totally different things.......

How does that change he fact that it was dismissed? That was the whole point of the lawsuit. If you can't prove your case then you have no case and that's the bottom line.

[The Big Dunn]

LOL you stopped calling me a racist but you havnt changed, you stil inferring it all the same.

You have just told me that even though there are Afro Americans making the exact same complaints as me im only saying them to be racist cuz Al is black. For some reason you cant accept that im making the exact same complaints because i see it exactly the same way. To you they say it cuz thats how they feel but i say it cuz im racist.

Finally no black or white people have "the PBC will freeze you out" Only i have it. But you are under the wrong assumption it is because Al Haymon is black and i want to see a black mans business fail. You feel that because i dont have the same energy for white mans Top Rank or White mans DAZN. But like i said, in my opinion they are taking the shady practices to a whole new level. It is getting ridiculous and out of control. An opinion shared by many black people.

No I'm not dude. Your 1st post stated people like you that post about PBC are called racists. I just tried to explain to you why.

I didn't post that you are "only saying them to be racist cuz Al is black". I pointed out the "afro american" (just an FYI about people calling you a racist, you are using a term, afro american, for black people that they stopped using in the late 1970's) people you cite don't want to get rid of PBC and don't have what you have in your sig.

I didn't post you posted this because you're a racist . You keep accusing me of stating things in my posts that I clearly didn't.

I didn't state, post or imply you have that in your sig because "Al Haymon is black and i want to see a black mans business fail." That you have it in your sig differentiates you from other people that post about PBC.

The fact you don't have the same energy toward top rank or dazn is what I cited as reasons others have alleged you are racist. I think that is reasonable given, as we discussed, you feel the same about black posters that behave the same way toward PBC.

I don't see how their "shadiness is being taken to a whole new level". Can you give some examples?

I don't know that your opinion is shared by many black people or many other people. So we are clear, there can be 2 people that share the same opinion but not for the same reasons.

I know there is a lot of hate for PBC on NSB. I also know that hate comes from people with multiple bans for racism. You have not been banned multiple times for racism but some of the people you cosign have, which is why I think many feel about you the way they do.

So yeah, maybe you don't hate PBC because its run by black man, but when you side so often with Bidness and Madison Boxing, you are going to get labeled.

You have to understand this because when I voice an opinion that Bidness tells you he saw someone on an LDBC site have, you then claim I am LDBC and are a racist like them, even though I haven't been to the site and arrived at my opinion separate from theirs.

Again, just think about it.