Oscar calls out PBC

[-Kev-]

At this fool trying to make out Haymon is the victim. Haymon stole all GBP fighters and is using loop holes to break the Ali act. Haymon is the fighters manager, he's not allowed to be the promoter too but we all know he is.

Haymon didn’t steal any fighters. DLH was going through a lot of personal drug related issues, his role was effected, and Richard Schaefer was doing all the work. DLH and Schaefer broke up and everything went downhill after that. Haymon left GBP, probably because he didn’t want to work with the druggie with issues. Then the fighters followed Haymon. Your best “supervisor” left, now you have nobody to guide the fighters, because DLH clearly sucks at it. He is very lucky that Canelo has stayed there and Hearn hasn’t “stolen” Canelo from him, because Canelo has been constantly talking about his displeasure with DLH.

Tl;dr: DLH had personal issues. Schaefer was doing all the work, once he left, Haymon left after that, fighters went with Haymon.

[The Big Dunn]

Am not on here accusing Haymon of stealing his fighter money. Read my original post. My claims about Tyson is for those who are asking if any boxer has complained about Haymon. Which is the wrong question to ask when you see boxers going bankrupt every time after retirement.

Haymon might as well be stealing from his fighters. He prevents them from getting better paydays or doing better for themselves. And no I don’t have any boxer that can prove this, but it is well known. For me I have gone from a Haymon defender to a critic of his, and to be honest I couldn’t care less who believes me or not.

For this idiot to pointed out earlier about me trying to be “Unbias” please go and dig up my posts from the early PBC days, and see how I bumlicked Haymon and PBC. Until he did a 180 and and started doing the same thing that I hated Arum for.

I am fine with the criticism, I just think in the case of TYson you have him working with someone that is a convicted felon and had multiple issues with other guys. Haymon hasn't had those issues.

As far as preventing them from getting paydays or doing better, if you don't have any proof it seems like a very harsh and unfair accusation. Yes, some of the alleged offers are for huge money but not every deal is as good as the money reported in the media.

[john l]

Says he wants to see PBC work with other promoters for once and also mentions that he offered Charlo a ton of money and PBC turned it down.

I think every promoter has called out PBC for refusing to work with others at this point.

I’m really starting to think they’re the only reason we don’t get the fights we want.

There are working with Top Rank RIGHT NOW to make the biggest fight of year(Wilder v Fury). All promoters are guilty of screwing over the sport in the long run for a short term profit. PBC is no worse or better then any other.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Haymon didn’t steal any fighters. DLH was going through a lot of personal drug related issues, his role was effected, and Richard Schaefer was doing all the work. DLH and Schaefer broke up and everything went downhill after that. Haymon left GBP, probably because he didn’t want to work with the druggie with issues. Then the fighters followed Haymon. Your best “supervisor” left, now you have nobody to guide the fighters, because DLH clearly sucks at it. He is very lucky that Canelo has stayed there and Hearn hasn’t “stolen” Canelo from him, because Canelo has been constantly talking about his displeasure with DLH.

Tl;dr: DLH had personal issues. Schaefer was doing all the work, once he left, Haymon left after that, fighters went with Haymon.

The ONLY reason why Haymon was able to persuade the roster was because he still had Floyd. That’s the only reason. Imagine Swift Garcia for example in a meeting with Haymon.

Al Haymayne: “You know...eventually Floyd is going to need a 147 opponent...it’s always up to him, but you know, I can say some things and he trusts me. Just hang on tight. You never know, a PPV with Floyd could always happen. We just gotta be patient. In the meantime, let me present to you a plan... first, Rod Salka...”

Haymayne to Charlos: “you know, Floyd’s been talking ablut making a defense at 154..we just gotta sit tight and be patient... let me present you a future model... btw, did I ever mention my nephew Brandon Adams? Also, have you ever done a shopping spree for leather purses?”

Haymayne to Wilder: “you know, me and AJ still friends.. we just gotta sit tight and be patient...”

Etc etc etc..

P4P brainwashing. They all wanna be Floyd’s shadow and the bank

[Sweet Jones]

The sad bit is these boxers are the ones that would suffer 10/15 years from now. You can sit there and defend the promoters but I wouldn’t. Like I said Mike Tyson can teach you a few things or two. You really can not educate the uneducated in certain things. Some of you need a lot of education.

Who is 'defending promoters'? You keep repeating this.

I'm defending the right of boxers to choose the model that THEY believe is the best for them. And as it stands right now, the vast majority of Haymon's clientele is CLEARLY picking him over the previous model under which they operated (promoter/network-controls-my-career). And I hear almost zero complaints about money or contract disputes from his clientele than any other sizable boxing outfit in memory.

So whats the problem here?

[-Kev-]

The ONLY reason why Haymon was able to persuade the roster was because he still had Floyd. That’s the only reason. Imagine Swift Garcia for example in a meeting with Haymon.

Al Haymayne: “You know...eventually Floyd is going to need a 147 opponent...it’s always up to him, but you know, I can say some things and he trusts me. Just hang on tight. You never know, a PPV with Floyd could always happen. We just gotta be patient. In the meantime, let me present to you a plan... first, Rod Salka...”

Haymayne to Charlos: “you know, Floyd’s been talking ablut making a defense at 154..we just gotta sit tight and be patient... let me present you a future model... btw, did I ever mention my nephew Brandon Adams? Also, have you ever done a shopping spree for leather purses?”

Haymayne to Wilder: “you know, me and AJ still friends.. we just gotta sit tight and be patient...”

Etc etc etc..

P4P brainwashing. They all wanna be Floyd’s shadow and the bank

Yeah, only reason. It wasn’t because their boss was a drug addict, the guy who actually does all the work left, and Haymon cut ties with the drug addict. Nothing to do with that.

Your own fighter, who is currently under your banner, publicly spoke out against your behavior. But na, the fighters didn’t go with Haymon because of DLH, it was because of Mayweather. Not because the guy who was doing the actual promoting and having good rapport with the fighters left (Schaefer).

Canelo is as loyal as they come for staying with DLH and not going to Matchroom. Cause he’s been talking sh/t about DLH for the past year or 2. Actually I bet Canelo is contractually obligated to stay with GBP. Because the way he talks about DLH, doesn’t sound like someone who wants to be there.

But okay, sure, it was Haymon’s fault.

[Sweet Jones]

Am not on here accusing Haymon of stealing his fighter money. Read my original post. My claims about Tyson is for those who are asking if any boxer has complained about Haymon. Which is the wrong question to ask when you see boxers going bankrupt every time after retirement.

Haymon might as well be stealing from his fighters. He prevents them from getting better paydays or doing better for themselves. And no I don’t have any boxer that can prove this, but it is well known. For me I have gone from a Haymon defender to a critic of his, and to be honest I couldn’t care less who believes me or not.

For this idiot to pointed out earlier about me trying to be “Unbias” please go and dig up my posts from the early PBC days, and see how I bumlicked Haymon and PBC. Until he did a 180 and and started doing the same thing that I hated Arum for.

Argumentum Ad Populum

[Ray*]

I am fine with the criticism, I just think in the case of TYson you have him working with someone that is a convicted felon and had multiple issues with other guys. Haymon hasn't had those issues.

As far as preventing them from getting paydays or doing better, if you don't have any proof it seems like a very harsh and unfair accusation. Yes, some of the alleged offers are for huge money but not every deal is as good as the money reported in the media.

Am not going to go into details, I have already made my point about how PBC is currently bad for the boxing and preventing a lot of good fight, thus denying the public good fights and their boxers great paydays. Am not here to defend a promoter, I would leave that to you lot.

[Ray*]

Who is 'defending promoters'? You keep repeating this.

You are, the fact that you cannot see it is shocking.

[Ray*]

Argumentum Ad Populum

Education is everything.