Oscar calls out PBC

[Ray*]

You can't speak for fighters by claiming they were"manipulated" if they haven't made that claim. I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. Why do you assume you know something the fighters don't know?
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Am not speaking for any fighter. Am telling you what is going. The boxers are not educated enough to see or know. And the people defending these promoters are not educated enough to see it. They see it 10 years later like Tyson when they are broke. So like I said you are for the promoters. So good for you, am not here to help you see what you cannot see.

[Ray*]

Oh, I get it now. You, Mr. self proclaimed 'Pro Boxer' are mad, not because these 'uneducated' fighters are being manipulated, but because they are NOT being manipulated in a way that you like (as a fan). You seem to just want to go back to the old 'fighting for the most butter biscuits' days because you've convinced yourself that's all these 'uneducated' fighters care about is the next purse.

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The sad bit is these boxers are the ones that would suffer 10/15 years from now. You can sit there and defend the promoters but I wouldn’t. Like I said Mike Tyson can teach you a few things or two. You really can not educate the uneducated in certain things. Some of you need a lot of education.

[Ray*]

Ray, don’t bother with the Infallible Haymonites. The guys whom are debating you are LDBc PBc fanboys.

When PBC revoked media credentials from these racist Haymonite loyalists the main leaders of the LDBC (whom compose of 300k youtube boxing fans) said that Al Haymon is doing “something wrong.” One of the channel’s, Barbershops Conversations (Fred Hawthorne) said he was going against Al Haymon and many of the LDBC Channels reciprocated that Haymon is ruining PBC because it employs Kelly Swanson. These same crew have flip flopped to go against the NFL to now supporting it again, vowing that they wouldn’t support the racist NFL organization.

The point is these dummies you debate with won’t own up, only some do. Guess like you and ShoulderRoll who were heavy PBC supporters aren’t afraid to tell the bad with PBC, and yes, it has changed its business model to a heavily insecure project trying to stay afloat.

This is why I always made the LDBc threads because these posters are all affiliated to that dreck. They are like the PAC beat Floyd in slow motion mindsets except that they are motivated to play race cards and victimhood.

I don’t know who they are but they sure sound uneducated and naive. How on earth would anyone that follows boxing would ask the same questions they are asking me, “Show me one boxer that has complain about PBC” like really!!! Did you see any boxer complain about King until later on? I mean it’s has to be a lack of education or naivety on their part.

[The Big Dunn]

Am not speaking for any fighter. Am telling you what is going. The boxers are not educated enough to see or know. And the people defending these promoters are not educated enough to see it. They see it 10 years later like Tyson when they are broke. So like I said you are for the promoters. So good for you, am not here to help you see what you cannot see.

Ray, I get your point that boxers may not see theft of their money until later on. That stated, it is completely unfair to assume Haymon is doing this because Don King did it to Tyson.

Don King was a convicted felon. His stealing from Tyson was in line with who he was before he got into the sport. Haymon has a BA and an MBA from Harvard and has a legitimate history in business that King didn't have. He doesn't have King's history. He has a record of making his people money.

You are judging Haymon based on the historical actions of other men. Is that fair?

edit: If you recall, Ali sued King in the early 1980's for underpaying him for one of his fights, I think it was Holmes. Homes also sued King for underpaying him. There were some other lawsuits as well but I'm not sure who. I wanna say Terry or Orlin Norris.

Tyson signed with a man that had a history of stealing from fighters. Haymon doesn't have that.

[SplitSecond]

And then reality sunk in:

Vanes: I Regret Bad-Mouthing Haymon, I'd Go Back Immediately
By Boxing Clever Published On Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:38 AM EST





Dude, GRJ be in his own world. Even PBC fans cant get a guage on him. According to GRJ, he's not tied to the PBC.

Only thing that sunk in is that he realized he should have just kept quiet banking money with sht fights. Point still stands on all of this, guessing you didn’t read my post. Haymon is good for the fighters, but horrible for the sport. Unless you’re cool with this just being some pity sport where you might aswell just be sending these guys money for *** all.

That Russell situation is recent too. As far as I know he debuted with Haymon and was with Haymon asking for the Cruz fight. He says he’s reaching the twilight years of his career and now he wants big fights to maximize earnings before calling it a day.

[El_Mero]

He sued PBC for 300 million. Orchestrated a media smear campaign against them. Now he wants to work with them. If I was Haymon I’d tell him to **** off too.

Uh, how quick u forget that when oscar was at his lowest, Haymon stole his fighters with help from Schafter. Wtf would u do?

As for Haymon not really working with others, how is that great for the sport? He has the biggest stable and we still are NOT getting the best fights possible smfh

[Bullrider]

Haymon is a huge cancer in the sport of boxing. Don't even know why he's got fans.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I don’t know who they are but they sure sound uneducated and naive. How on earth would anyone that follows boxing would ask the same questions they are asking me, “Show me one boxer that has complain about PBC” like really!!! Did you see any boxer complain about King until later on? I mean it’s has to be a lack of education or naivety on their part.

Even the crocodile tears about GBP vs Haymon is insignificant. Haymon industry rivals are past that. I don’t care so much for Haymon, but Hearn and GBp are exposing some PBC Champs because prize fighting and challenges has lost some edge. Oscar and BHop have more leverage to talk about these things because they were actual fighters, HOFs.

When they contextualize themselves for what they did to fight others, Haymonites don’t acknowledge it as if Oscar or BHop’a legacies didn’t exist. With Hearn, he’s just trying to offer a product at a high price because he has backing to do it. Therefore, when Oscar and Hearn make offers with one offs, why the insecurity? Does Charlo or Wilder feel they’ll get robbed on cards? Charlo and Wilder IN PARTICULAR are the ones saying they’ll knock anyone out... how does That confidence dismiss itself for one fight deals?

Have Charlo and Wilder come out to say, “we’ve seen the offers and they’re all lies, they’re not one fight deals.” They aren’t saying that because, as most of us know, as DiBella stated, Haymon and his contracted network platform executives have got PBC fighters by the balls or they are just ******. Again, the Haymonites are infallible with reason. They’ll just bring up old circumstances, racism, etc etc because They’re all cowards.

At the end of the day, let’s just ride the wave as Haymon’s generation of stars once GBP fade away with age. Know that the LDBC are aware of this exact destiny which is why they sucker fans with insecurity that Devin Haney Should be with PBC TMT.

It’s all race driven by fans, and with Haymon, just to keep his portfolio afloat with filler fights and prolonging to satisfy the networks. Meanwhile the PBC fighters are brainwashed with perks and only focused on future investments. You’d think that by now, PBC fighters can’t find general consulting or financial advisory elsewhere? Only Haymon. This is what DiBella wanted for Wilder whom were together for a while, but the Haymonites spin it to say that DiBellas was trying to scheme a deal for himself by using Wilder. You know, like Haymon loving Schaffer’s idea to bribe fighters elsewhere...

Haymonism doe

[Bullrider]

Al let GB promote all of his biggest fighters not just Floyd. And they were paid for their services. Multi fight deal or fight by fight deal what’s the difference when Al’s throwing all the work your way? Oscar would’ve had to surrender some control over the fighters but so what. You have the biggest stable in boxing throwing all their business your way and he still found a way to complain.

This clown makes it sound like GBP is an alien in its own house. They were GBP fighters fool, not Haymon's, so GBP didn't have to ask permission from your uncle Al.

As for promoting Floyd, they were paid peanuts according to Schaefer, who left GBP in financial disarray.

[Ray*]

Ray, I get your point that boxers may not see theft of their money until later on. That stated, it is completely unfair to assume Haymon is doing this because Don King did it to Tyson.
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Am not on here accusing Haymon of stealing his fighter money. Read my original post. My claims about Tyson is for those who are asking if any boxer has complained about Haymon. Which is the wrong question to ask when you see boxers going bankrupt every time after retirement.

Haymon might as well be stealing from his fighters. He prevents them from getting better paydays or doing better for themselves. And no I don’t have any boxer that can prove this, but it is well known. For me I have gone from a Haymon defender to a critic of his, and to be honest I couldn’t care less who believes me or not.

For this idiot to pointed out earlier about me trying to be “Unbias” please go and dig up my posts from the early PBC days, and see how I bumlicked Haymon and PBC. Until he did a 180 and and started doing the same thing that I hated Arum for.