Comments Thread For: The 2010s in the Rankings: The Top Twenty of the Decade - #5-1

[Pantera_]

Great news. Real boxing fans dont recognize catchweight fights.

[Thuglife Nelo]

That’s awesome glad you support his writing. So Cliff has a right to his own personal standard of beauty but I don’t because I disagree for good reason? Na’ll bro we not playing that....

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ending that appeared to be compromised and not quite genuine.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny with lesser numbers?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find those places where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that.

However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

It’s really silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy going to be an hard nose unbiased reporter or fluffy sensationalist stirring the pot for views.

I believe Cliff tried to create some controversy and just lost some credibility.

Look, because Cliff turned down your resume for a gig...means “Da Brotherhood of Boxing Mayne” credentials shouldn’t be considered. Get that chip off shoulder.

[xxlefthookxx]

This is all an exercise in a fun kind of way. Take it as that. Not definitive or absolute in any manner. Think about it... Floyd gets as many points for beating Victor Ortiz as GGG/Canelo got for beating Danny Jacobs. Canelo gets the same points beating GGG as Crawford gets for...freaking Indongo. Canelo gets more points for Khan than GGG gets for Stevens. Fun. Flawed. Let the debates continue..

[The Big Dunn]

I have enjoyed the list. I Would’ve had ggg much lower but that shows how my bias affected how I see things.

As I posted before it’s always best when we evaluate boxers using the same criteria. This takes each individual’s personal bias out of the equation.

I think canelo and Floyd at the top makes sense given their resumes during the decade. I think I might have had manny higher but losses count. I definitely wouldn’t have had job or ggg as highly ranked.

Also interesting to see mates and Garcia so high.

[DeeMoney]

For all the constant knocking of GGGs resume and he is 4th? And only pct. points behind for 3rd?

[Shadoww702]

How would someone be “always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight” accomplished when the fighter moves weight and immediately fights a world champion or world ranked opponent in the higher weight class? If anything it’s much harder to accomplish that feat. What Canelo did an EXTREME few have done.

Hindsight is always 20/20 after a fight has been held. Many here and across the blogosphere had Kovalev/ Canelo 50/50 with many even citing a Kovalev late KO due to size as the differentiating factor. It’s easy to criticize a win as su****ious when a fighter as skilled as Canelo makes the opponent look silly.

Kovalev was on a mean win streak and appeared to have his magic back. Maybe he felt Canelo’s power, his counters and his speed and played it extra cautious as to not be KOd quickly. He and his coach went in with a fight plan that neither detracted from. I feel the fight plan was to throw Canelo completely off balance. When that plan was not working it’s obvious there was no plan B. Everyone saw how much faster Canelo was and knew if Kovalev decided to be his usual aggressive self he’d get battered off counters.

Don’t dismiss his win. It was a HOF worthy accomplishment by an elite boxer who prepared well for the fight.

I was on record saying Kovalov beats Canelo.

[Shadoww702]

For all the constant knocking of GGGs resume and he is 4th? And only pct. points behind for 3rd?

Sad but looked at the guys he fought ranked when the division was dog sht to now? I mean Sergiy is #6 and look at the guys that were ranked high than that he fought at the time...Most wouldn’t even be top 10 at MW right now.

[Fire4231]

Look, because Cliff turned down your resume for a gig...means “Da Brotherhood of Boxing Mayne” credentials shouldn’t be considered. Get that chip off shoulder.

Lol...Mr. Young Bidness, I think I actually understood this one.

So you couldn’t debate the logic of my response and now your imagination is creating reasons to question credibility. Got it!!!

According to you I wanted a job at Boxingscene.com and a pay cut. Instead of reaching out to Steve Kim and his team at Boxingscene, I decided to circumvent the process submit a resume directly to a content contributor in the one and only Cliff Rold?

As a result of not getting hired, I set out for quick revenge. My big opening came when Cliff Rold submitted a fighter of the decade ranking system that disagrees with every other expert fighter of the decade ranking system.

From there my plan unfolded very cleverly, when I used the details Cliff presented against him ever so eloquently.

So with my conclusion aligning with every other boxing experts perspective, I took down Cliff Rold’s job hoarding arse.

Then I ran into that meddeling kid Young Bidness who exposed me for my true intentions by overwhelming me with gibberish.

Bro get off the crack mayne.
It is taking your drug addicted imagination to the edge of ******ed. No wonder you like fiction writers... given the source well...I think I can live with your perspective...

[Thuglife Nelo]

Lol...Mr. Young Bidness, I think I actually understood this one.

So you couldn’t debate the logic of my response and now your imagination is creating reasons to question credibility. Got it!!!

According to you I wanted a job at Boxingscene.com and a pay cut.

Stopped reading here! Lol

I’m just assuming your affiliation with Crack’inside’Wraps Boxing Association didn’t impress Cliff. I didn’t say a “job” here at BoxingScene, but somewhere in industry that one time you were mingling with PBC associates looking directly at Rold at a Canelo event... you be like: “I funna gang up in dis trick for shredding my resume once upon a time...never introduced me to Ring Mag peeps either... I funna be gangsta now...”. You didn’t even thank Ring Mag for them sammmiches either. Shame on you

That time.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Amir Khan is asking why he isn't at no.1