Comments Thread For: The 2010s in the Rankings: The Top Twenty of the Decade - #5-1

[Fire4231]

How would someone be “always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight” accomplished when the fighter moves weight and immediately fights a world champion or world ranked opponent in the higher weight class? If anything it’s much harder to accomplish that feat. What Canelo did an EXTREME few have done.

Hindsight is always 20/20 after a fight has been held. Many here and across the blogosphere had Kovalev/ Canelo 50/50 with many even citing a Kovalev late KO due to size as the differentiating factor. It’s easy to criticize a win as su****ious when a fighter as skilled as Canelo makes the opponent look silly.

Kovalev was on a mean win streak and appeared to have his magic back. Maybe he felt Canelo’s power, his counters and his speed and played it extra cautious as to not be KOd quickly. He and his coach went in with a fight plan that neither detracted from. I feel the fight plan was to throw Canelo completely off balance. When that plan was not working it’s obvious there was no plan B. Everyone saw how much faster Canelo was and knew if Kovalev decided to be his usual aggressive self he’d get battered off counters.

Don’t dismiss his win. It was a HOF worthy accomplishment by an elite boxer who prepared well for the fight.

Lol... Bro...My summary stands, you haven’t said anything compelling. My key points are in my original response to this farce of a ranking.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Lol... Bro...My summary stands, you haven’t said anything compelling. My key points are in my original response to this farce of a ranking.

Yeah mayne!! PBc mayne! “Pacquiao and Mayweather Mayne!” Al Haymayne!

And Hearn is the only garbage promoter trying to keep himself alive with this BS.

[Fire4231]

You’re better off crying and bringing up Kovalev vs Davis debates in those threads or:



It’s obvious you’re LDBC mayne! We in dis thang mayne!

Bro time to educate yourself. Come back when you can express yourself. Clarity is worth the effort.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bro time to educate yourself. Come back when you can express yourself. Clarity is worth the effort.

I got crack ******* for Christmas mayne! Rankings all crazy mayne! Ring magazine mayne!

[Boxingfanatic75]

Lol... Bro...My summary stands, you haven’t said anything compelling. My key points are in my original response to this farce of a ranking.

Your key points (which I pointed out) are completely flawed. Like PFP, FOTD is subjective where beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I admire Cliff for the amount of work and thought process he put into this. It shows he put in a lot of work to justify his rankings and belief and not just bloviate with an opinion. His scale, his rules backed by quantitative and qualitative analysis and justification.

Got a better system?
Let’s hear it.

[Fire4231]

I got crack ******* for Christmas mayne! Rankings all crazy mayne! Ring magazine mayne!

Lol... I am sure you did and that is unfortunate.

What’s also unfortunate is you will need to relive my well thought out unbiased response below...

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ ending that look to be compromised.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny with lesser numbers?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find those places where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that.

However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

It’s really silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy going to be an hard nose unbiased reporter or fluffy sensationalist stirring the pot for views. I believe Cliff tried to create some controversy and just lost some credibility.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Got a better system?
Let’s hear it.

Mr. Fire Poster is LDBC, sir.

Let me rephrase how funna like it to be:

“Mayne, Floyd beat Manny in his prime mayne! Floyd is his own boss mayne. Y’all funna hate Haymon cause cause y’all don’t wanna see a successful business man mayne. Pac on PBC beat Thurman mayne. Pac ducking Spence too mayne. GBP and Oscar all racist mayne. Floyd’s win over Pac and McGregor way better than Canelo beating GGG, Jacobs or Kovalev mayne!” -LDBC covert

[Boxingfanatic75]

Mr. Fire Poster is LDBC, sir.

Let me rephrase how funna like it to be:

“Mayne, Floyd beat Manny in his prime mayne! Floyd is his own boss mayne. Y’all funna hate Haymon cause cause y’all don’t wanna see a successful business man mayne. Pac on PBC beat Thurman mayne. Pac ducking Spence too mayne. GBP and Oscar all racist mayne. Floyd’s win over Pac and McGregor way better than Canelo beating GGG, Jacobs or Kovalev mayne!” -LDBC covert

[Fire4231]

Your key points (which I pointed out) are completely flawed. Like PFP, FOTD is subjective where beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I admire Cliff for the amount of work and thought process he put into this. It shows he put in a lot of work to justify his rankings and belief and not just bloviate with an opinion. His scale, his rules backed by quantitative and qualitative analysis and justification.

Got a better system?
Let’s hear it.

That’s awesome glad you support his writing. So Cliff has a right to his own personal standard of beauty but I don’t because I disagree for good reason? Na’ll bro we not playing that....

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ending that appeared to be compromised and not quite genuine.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny with lesser numbers?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find those places where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that.

However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

It’s really silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy going to be an hard nose unbiased reporter or fluffy sensationalist stirring the pot for views.

I believe Cliff tried to create some controversy and just lost some credibility.

[Fire4231]

Lol... this is your support? You didn’t even know how to respond to the guy. Btw-

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ending that appeared to be compromised and lacked authenticity.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny with lesser numbers?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find those places where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that.

However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

It’s really silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy going to be an hard nose unbiased reporter or fluffy sensationalist stirring the pot for views. I believe Cliff tried to create some controversy and just lost some credibility.