Comments Thread For: The 2010s in the Rankings: The Top Twenty of the Decade - #5-1

[ShoulderRoll]

Floyd sort of passed the torch to Canelo when they fought. Even though Canelo didn't beat him he was smart enough to pick up a lot of technique and skills from that loss.

That plus the name recognition he got has allowed him to move on to other important victories and become the face of boxing.

[Robbie Barrett]

Canelo had over twice as many fights as Mayweather of course he's going to be ahead in a system that gives points for every win. It's quantity over quality.

[crold1]

Canelo had over twice as many fights as Mayweather of course he's going to be ahead in a system that gives points for every win. It's quantity over quality.

You’re right that it was cumulative; however, points were only given for wins over rated fighters.

That said, it’s pretty damn remarkable having done the work that only one fighter finishes ahead of a Floyd who basically was out four years with over a year between Mosley and Ortiz to boot.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I voted for Floyd. This isn’t really a qualitative FOTD list; it’s just an evaluation of a couple elements of the decade. The first part dug into that: https://www.boxingscene.com/fighter-...-right--146013

Note the other two lists at the end this week looking at other angles as well.

I like the criteria for how it was evaluated.

I think there’s too much envy pride that Forbes made Floyd the Richest Athlete of Decade. Considering how hard it is for the sport to attract fans compared to other major world sports makes boxing special. However, consider the delay with spectacles that Floyd vs Pac and McGregor generated in revenue. 60% of Floyd’s decade wealth were from those two fights.

As far as level of difficulty it’s not an honest measure. Consider Messi or Ronaldo. They don’t have the luxury to milk earnings and avoid difficulty. Those guys always have to be on top of their game, same as the NFL or NBA.

We are talking about the most difficult sport in the world. Floyd didn’t cut it for FOTD. I feel perhaps he was robbed the previous years...

Anyways thanks for article.

[Fire4231]

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ ending that look to be compromised.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny with lesser numbers?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find those places where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that.

However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

It’s really silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy going to be an hard nose unbiased reporter or fluffy sensationalist stirring the pot for views. I believe Cliff tried to create some controversy and just lost some credibility.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Cliff... nice try but so many things wrong with this rating system. For example the points applied are through Ring Magazine’s Rankings which is no longer boxing’s bible because it is owned by Canelo’s promoter Goldenboy.

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

And how is there not a kicker applied for head to head wins? Especially when fighters fought in the exact same weight class?

Even the quality of opposition needs revaluation due to Ring’s obvious conflict of interest through ownership.

Lastly what about a kicker for overall dominance? He mentions butts in seats and I am wondering how Canelo even gets this accolade over Floyd and Manny?

Bottom line is this, you can create a formula that says Timothy Bradley was the best boxer of the decade. You just have to find that on place where he stands out and put a bunch of illogical weight on it.

This just doesn’t make sense and the issue is not perception it’s the reality. Out of respect I will leave it at that. However there is no one who was present, without an agenda or simply sound mind that believes Canelo deserves fighter of the decade more than Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao. It’s silly how boxing writers still can’t just leave reality undisturbed. Some times one has to say to himself is my legacy hard nose reporter or fluffy sensationalist. I think Cliff third to create som controversy and lost some credibility.

Lol.

What is this garbage!? Rold shows consistency with TBRB, but you just focus on Ring? Acting like Ring has Canelo rated #1 in every class? Do you look at the P4P lists throughout the years? Before and after Dougie on it? Compare Ward, Kovalev, Mayweather, GGG, Gonzalez when they were #1-2. It took Canelo time to get to #1. That’s not fiction, but who you fight. Who did GGG dare to fight to get him at #1? Wait for Canelo, never move up?

[Boxingfanatic75]

The Formula for the rankings is suspect including the kicker applied to moving weights (in a decade where one fighter was younger and always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight class.

He says the over the top kicker for Canelo was the Kovalev fight which is a match no one would hang their hat on for a credible win. This is due to the su****ious way it evolved, the fighter circumstances and the controversy surrounding the fight aesthetics/ ending that look to be compromised.

How would someone be “always moving to avoid bigger threats in their natural weight” accomplished when the fighter moves weight and immediately fights a world champion or world ranked opponent in the higher weight class? If anything it’s much harder to accomplish that feat. What Canelo did an EXTREME few have done.

Hindsight is always 20/20 after a fight has been held. Many here and across the blogosphere had Kovalev/ Canelo 50/50 with many even citing a Kovalev late KO due to size as the differentiating factor. It’s easy to criticize a win as su****ious when a fighter as skilled as Canelo makes the opponent look silly.

Kovalev was on a mean win streak and appeared to have his magic back. Maybe he felt Canelo’s power, his counters and his speed and played it extra cautious as to not be KOd quickly. He and his coach went in with a fight plan that neither detracted from. I feel the fight plan was to throw Canelo completely off balance. When that plan was not working it’s obvious there was no plan B. Everyone saw how much faster Canelo was and knew if Kovalev decided to be his usual aggressive self he’d get battered off counters.

Don’t dismiss his win. It was a HOF worthy accomplishment by an elite boxer who prepared well for the fight.

[Drigo]

Nice try Cliff but i wont agree with Mikey being on 5th which made me think you are Mikey's fan. Mikey has outstanding accomplishment but he missed a couple of good fights like Crawford, Lomachenco and several 122lb champions. He became very selective lately and seems fighting only for money. His only lost in the ring is very obvious he has no intent to take risk and win the fight...

[Fire4231]

Lol.

What is this garbage!? Rold shows consistency with TBRB, but you just focus on Ring? Acting like Ring has Canelo rated #1 in every class? Do you look at the P4P lists throughout the years? Before and after Dougie on it? Compare Ward, Kovalev, Mayweather, GGG, Gonzalez when they were #1-2. It took Canelo time to get to #1. That’s not fiction, but who you fight. Who did GGG dare to fight to get him at #1? Wait for Canelo, never move up?

Lol... Not even sure what this says. Not working this hard to communicate with anyone.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Lol... Not even sure what this says. Not working this hard to communicate with anyone.

You’re better off crying and bringing up Kovalev vs Davis debates in those threads or:

And Hearn is the only garbage promoter trying to keep himself alive with this BS.

It’s obvious you’re LDBC mayne! We in dis thang mayne!