Lineal Heavyweight title is "bull****"?

[El_Mero]

I don't care what Wilder thinks. The lineal title is the real title.

Whoever wins Wilder vs Fury II is the real heavyweight champion of the world, and at that point the lineal/WBC title are one.

Fixed it for you....

[N/A]

Here's a couple of facts from YOUR cited articles for you to chew on and think about

Duva is lying, as always.

https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxi...on-day-3/37055

December 17, 2014, Duva requests that the Pascal-Kovalev winner be made Stevenson's mandatory, with a 50/50 split. The WBC approved the unusual request and Stevenson agreed to participate in the fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hbo-main-events-negotiating-new-sergey-kovalev-deal--88647

The multi-fight contract Kovalev signed with HBO several days before beating Cedric Agnew last March 29 in Atlantic City expired following Kovalev’s impressive eighth-round technical knockout win over Quebec’s Jean Pascal (29-3-1, 17 KOs, 1 NC) on Saturday night in Montreal.


So Duva requests the fight, the WBC & Stevenson say okay. Kovalev beats Pascal to become mandatory, AND TO BECOME A TELEVISION FREE AGENT.


Does Kovalev fight Stevenson though? No. Instead, he purposely signs a new TV deal that blocks him from fighting Stevenson. A blatant duck. Then Duva lies about why they can't fight Stevenson, hoping the public won't realize Kovalev became a television free agent when he became mandatory.

[aboutfkntime]

Stevenson vs Kovalev was a mandatory fight. Kovalev was Stevenson's mandatory. Kovalev ducked the fight and refused to proceed.

1) that is just your opinion... and yea, not sure how valuable that thing is

2) SO... FKN... WHAT... ?

FACT: it is clearly obvious, that the lineal champ is often not the best guy in his division... there are plenty of examples... and that has happened MANY times since the advent of the 2nd/3rd/4th official sanctioning bodies

until the advent of the 2nd official sanctioning body there was no such thing as a "lineal" champ, because there was only 1 title... we did not have a lineal champ, because we had a real champ... lineage was never mentioned because everybody knew who the champion was

case in point...

3) why did you not comment on Canelo... ?

Canelo was the lineal middleweight champ despite... 1) never fighting a middleweight opponent... 2) never weighing more than 155 loooool

that shlt was ridiculous !

[aboutfkntime]

Wilder and Fury are ranked #1 and #2 by Ring and TBRB..winner will be lineal

see, lineal used to mean undisputed... as-in, holding all 4 titles

who made up that... 1 v 2 = lineal... rule... ?

who made that shlt up... ?

[N/A]

1) that is just your opinion

No. Not an opinion. It's a fact Kovalev became Stevenson's mandatory. It's a fact it was a 50/50 split. It's a fact Kovalev was a television free agent. All facts. No opinions. It's a fact Kovalev refused to fight.

[aboutfkntime]

Lol funny
Nope.
Try again.

P.S. Kovalev called out Stevenson numerous times before he was his mandatory as he had been a world champ just as long as Stevenson.

didn't you just say that the man who beat the man is very important?

the point is... you guys are arguing about this

meaning that lineage means nothing, or you guys would be in total agreement

lineage is a paper title, fighters have to prove it in the ring

otherwise...

recent fans who love lineage, because it benefited their guy...
Cotto fans
Canelo fans
Stevenson fans

recent fans who hate lineage, because it did not benefit their guy...
Golovkin fans
Kovalev fans

funnily... Kovalev and Golovkin fans will both insist their guy was the best

lineage is a dirty cesspool of triangle theories and unsupported opinions

seriously, fcuk lineage... fighters need to prove it in the ring, or STFU





another point... not directed at you, just regarding lineage





this idea that... The Ring (or whoever) #1 vs #2 determines lineage... wtf?

that is fkn ridiculous to me... how fkn insane

who the fcuk are they... and why is their opinion worth more than anyone else... seriously?

FACT: The Ring do not sanction, and they do not mandate... they are just a magazine... they are just another unsubstantiated opinion... and by not sanctioning or mandating, means that their opinion holds very little merit

The Ring ranked Canelo the #1 middleweight on the planet... despite the fact that he had never faced a middleweight opponent, and despite the fact that he had never weighed more than 155

fcuk opinions

it either happens in the ring, or it did not happen at all

FACT: either Wilder or Fury could potentially lose to AJ

I have heard guys insist that Ruiz could beat Wilder AND Fury

I have heard guys insist that Ortiz could beat Fury

I have heard guys insist that Whyte can beat Wilder AND Fury

if lineage should be taken seriously at all - and there is no valid reason why that should be the case - then the path to lineage should be unifying all 4 titles, like it used to be

back when there was only belt, lineage was never mentioned... why would it be mentioned?... everyone knew who the champ was, because there was only one belt

[aboutfkntime]

It was a mandatory fight with a 50/50 split. Stevenson agreed to fight. Kovalev refused. The excuse used was TV networks, but Kovalev's HBO deal had just expired. He blatantly ducked the fight.

Stevenson had at least two chances to fight Kovalev before that point... and he walked in the other direction

come on man, that situation went back-n-forth for YEARS!... don't cherry-pick one situation out of 3/4... like the AJ fans do when they need to forget that 2018 was a real year

you are here arguing for lineage... and yet, if lineage was even slightly important, you would have nothing to argue about

forget arguing about Stevenson/Kovalev for the next 5 weeks...

aren't you sick of that rubbish... ?

Canelo..... ?

Canelo was ranked the #1 middleweight on the planet because of lineage... which is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD... because he had never faced a middleweight opponent, and he had never weighed more than 155

how does Canelo fit into that " lineage " wankery... ?

I really need an answer to that question

lineage is either 100% valid... or it is not valid AT ALL... there is no "oh, but..."

[aboutfkntime]

lineal "belt" is useless

thank you !

it is LITERALLY the dictionary definition of a paper-belt

in either happened in the ring... or it did not happen at all

[aboutfkntime]

Duva is lying, as always.

https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxi...on-day-3/37055

December 17, 2014, Duva requests that the Pascal-Kovalev winner be made Stevenson's mandatory, with a 50/50 split. The WBC approved the unusual request and Stevenson agreed to participate in the fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hbo-main-events-negotiating-new-sergey-kovalev-deal--88647

The multi-fight contract Kovalev signed with HBO several days before beating Cedric Agnew last March 29 in Atlantic City expired following Kovalev’s impressive eighth-round technical knockout win over Quebec’s Jean Pascal (29-3-1, 17 KOs, 1 NC) on Saturday night in Montreal.


So Duva requests the fight, the WBC & Stevenson say okay. Kovalev beats Pascal to become mandatory, AND TO BECOME A TELEVISION FREE AGENT.


Does Kovalev fight Stevenson though? No. Instead, he purposely signs a new TV deal that blocks him from fighting Stevenson. A blatant duck. Then Duva lies about why they can't fight Stevenson, hoping the public won't realize Kovalev became a television free agent when he became mandatory.

fcuk off

someone will always be lying when you need to prove a point

The Ring were " lying " when they ranked Canelo the #1 middleweight based on lineage LMAO... because he had never faced a middleweight opponent, and he had never weighed more than 155

[aboutfkntime]

fcuk off

someone will always be lying when you need to prove a point

The Ring were " lying " when they ranked Canelo the #1 middleweight based on lineage LMAO... because he had never faced a middleweight opponent, and he had never weighed more than 155

I am sure that every Golovkin fan agrees with me about lineage

right guys... ???

Golovkin was the top middleweight at that point, not Canelo

and the only reason why, is because Martinez had just been retired