Comments Thread For: Wilder-Ortiz Rematch - PPV Buys To Land Just North of 275,000

[Robbie Barrett]

Notice how certain fans are now quite happy to believe "sources"

[brettWall]

I don't get the narrative some push here.

I'm a Wilder fan but I didn't buy this fight and found a stream. I buy good fights but who in their right mind thought this was worth the money?

The undercard was atrocious and Wilder vs Ortiz was a fight we didn't have to pay for the first time around when Ortiz was a year and a half younger. This fight was a complete scam at 75 bucks.

It has nothing to do with Wilder not being able to sell PPVs and with the horrible matchup.

You want people to buy these fight than make good fights. I'm not paying 75-80 to watch one good fighter fight a scrub. I wouldn't pay that to watch Joshua Ruiz 2 either.

Those prices should be reserved for super fights only.

I never believe these numbers, especially in this day and age. Even 50K is too good to be true let alone 275 000.

[Mr. Philadel]

Tyson vs Bruno II did 1.37 million PPV buys...but Bomber thinks his name belongs in the same sentence as Iron Mike's

[Robbie Barrett]

The network gets 5%, not 50%.

Where you come up with that? So cable provider set up the network, routers, feeds, lines, manpower, etc but only get 5%, LOL? They'd finish in the RED for every event they host. Sorry but you have to be kidding. That's like saying the movie theatres only get 5% instead of 50% of the gross. Wilder/Fury earned about 8 and 9 mil respectively which would fall in-line with 45-50% network take. Based on this 5% notion, the event was GReen even with 27 mil in purses going to Wilder and Ortiz. industry sources have already said they will try to recoup the RED in the wilder/fury rematch.

He knows the guy meant cable provider but is being a ****. That's what WBC does. He'll nitpick little **** and ignore the big picture. He's a full blown obese PBC tard. He gets his fat rolls lubed up and has a PBC gang****.

[N/A]

Where you come up with that? So cable provider set up the network, routers, feeds, lines, manpower, etc but only get 5%, LOL? They'd finish in the RED for every event they host. Sorry but you have to be kidding. That's like saying the movie theatres only get 5% instead of 50% of the gross. Wilder/Fury earned about 8 and 9 mil respectively which would fall in-line with 45-50% network take. Based on this 5% notion, the event was GReen even with 27 mil in purses going to Wilder and Ortiz. industry sources have already said they will try to recoup the RED in the wilder/fury rematch.

You're confusing two different things as well as using out dated information.

In the traditional PPV model, and I'll use simple numbers to make the math easier, HBO would do a PPV for $50. Do a million buys. You've got $50,000,000 in the PPV pot.

HBO, as the network distributing the fight, would take 7.5% as their distribution fee. In recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the distribution fee for Fox and Showtime down to 5%.

The cable and satellite companies, as the PPV providers, would take 50%.

Leaving the promoter with 42.5%, or $21.25 million to pay the fighters, make a profit, cover expenses, etc (and obviously he'd have other revenue streams as well, such as live gate, foreign rights, delayed broadcast, sponsorships, etc).

However, in recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the PPV provider fee from 50% down to 25%. He was able to do this because WWE took their events to WWE Network, UFC took their events to ESPN+, HBO left the PPV business, and the PPV industry is fighting to stay relevant. Because Haymon was getting a 75/25 split in his favor on the Fox app (although Fox was also taking a 5% distribution fee in addition), he got the PPV industry to match the 75/25 split, if he promised to run PPVs regularly for years to come.

So the 42.5% cut of old in the haymon model is now 70%. So the economics have been totally changed.

[LacedUp]

I suspect this is fake news, but good for them if they managed to recover some of the losses.

[daggum]

You're confusing two different things as well as using out dated information.

In the traditional PPV model, and I'll use simple numbers to make the math easier, HBO would do a PPV for $50. Do a million buys. You've got $50,000,000 in the PPV pot.

HBO, as the network distributing the fight, would take 7.5% as their distribution fee. In recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the distribution fee for Fox and Showtime down to 5%.

The cable and satellite companies, as the PPV providers, would take 50%.

Leaving the promoter with 42.5%, or $21.25 million to pay the fighters, make a profit, cover expenses, etc (and obviously he'd have other revenue streams as well, such as live gate, foreign rights, delayed broadcast, sponsorships, etc).

However, in recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the PPV provider fee from 50% down to 25%. He was able to do this because WWE took their events to WWE Network, UFC took their events to ESPN+, HBO left the PPV business, and the PPV industry is fighting to stay relevant. Because Haymon was getting a 75/25 split in his favor on the Fox app (although Fox was also taking a 5% distribution fee in addition), he got the PPV industry to match the 75/25 split, if he promised to run PPVs regularly for years to come.

So the 42.5% cut of old in the haymon model is now 70%. So the economics have been totally changed.

and yet giving haymon 70 percent of the ppv profit still only netted him 15 million dollars yet according to you any fight that does 275k belongs on ppv...obviously not true as it lost 10 million dollars or so. why do you want haymon to lose 10 million dollars? why do you pretend that is a good thing? why do you pretend this is a success when it lost 10 million dollars?

[daggum]

He knows the guy meant cable provider but is being a ****. That's what WBC does. He'll nitpick little **** and ignore the big picture. He's a full blown obese PBC tard. He gets his fat rolls lubed up and has a PBC gang****.

he knows haymon gets 70 percent of the ppv profits. he knows 70 percent of the ppv profits is less than 15 million. he knows the fighters purses were 27 million dollars. he knows all this and yet he comes on here and lies and proclaims the ppv a success. deranged

[Jrtxboiy]

Sit yo dumb ass down

[OnePunch]

he knows haymon gets 70 percent of the ppv profits. he knows 70 percent of the ppv profits is less than 15 million. he knows the fighters purses were 27 million dollars. he knows all this and yet he comes on here and lies and proclaims the ppv a success. deranged

that $27 million was only the guaranteed purses. You are forgetting all the top secret Haymon suitcase side money, which should easily be another $30 or $35 million.......