Comments Thread For: Wilder-Ortiz Rematch - PPV Buys To Land Just North of 275,000

[blitted_master]

What is this, a popularity contest? Who cares about numbers?

[killakali]

The game has changed since you left. Haymon manages to keep the gate, but still get paid a site fee. There is still a value to MGM to have everyone at their casino and at their hotel, even if they're not keeping the gate.




Well you're wrong, but believe whatever you want. I'm not going to post specifics of what the rights were sold for in each country. The rebroadcast rights were 7 figures on their own and the foreign rights were 7 figures as well.




And I've solely promoted PPV just last month that sold overseas rights. Who cares? You've worked on low level stuff. I've got weekly TV in 20 countries. I'm far more entrenched in selling foreign rights right now than you are and the company selling my PPV is the same company that sells PBC's.

If he got a site fee I’m sure he didn’t keep the gate. Plus a lot of those ticket sales were tickets they Haymon buys himself and gives away. Not everyone knows his tricks to fatten his gate totals

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Gotta love how people hate Floyd so much, but hold other fighters to his PPV standards and critique them when they don't reach or exceed those numbers. Lol

Being that PPV is "dead", I'm guessing 500k buys will be the new "standard", since most fighters can't reach a million nowadays.

I don't get the disdain for this rematch. It's crazy that the same people clowned Wilder for getting rocked and blamed the ref for not stopping the first fight, but they criticized the rematch.

Boxing fans can be their own worst enemies at times, I swear.

[OldTerry]

Even with the fake numbers - it still failed and Wilder isn’t sniffing $8million..

I don't know about that. The PPVs plus digital buys would have brought in at $23M and that doesn't include the live gate. If Wilder was paid $10M and Ortiz $4M that leaves PBC and Fox with around $9M to divide up. Not record numbers but decent.

[OldTerry]

Anybody with half a brain knew fury wasnt the only one responsible for those buys.

As for the 2nd bolded part. The rematch DID NOT BELONG on ppv as the frist fight was a CLEAR win for Wilder.

275k sold....As I said, theres a sucker born every day.

In my opinion buying a PPV fight is a money waster to start with. The day after the fight you know who won and how. Watching the fight does not change the results and it will be available for view on YouTube soon enough. That's why I'm not buying the Ruiz, Joshua fight.

[OldTerry]

275K is actually great for what this fight was...... a rematch nobody wanted, perhaps if they can get Wilder into fights that fans want then he may have a PPV future afterall. This doesn't come close to covering the reported purses though so there's no way that Ortiz got 7m and Wilder 20m.

Let's see, revenue of about $23M and purses totaling $27M. Nope, that doesn't work. Probably be more like $10M for Wilder and $4M for Ortiz.

[OldTerry]

Even if you take this number it's a massive fail if the 27mil in purses are correct.

No not a massive fail but a fail none the less. Probably the fail is on the fighters who will most likely receive purses totaling $14M-15M instead of a total of $27M. It is hard for a hard working man like myself to fathom not being happy over making a lot of millions even though it isn't quite as many as I hoped for.

[OldTerry]

And yet, Wilder somehow thinks he's making more money with PBC than he would have with DAZN. Not with those numbers!

I'm not sure that Wilder thinks he is making more money than he would with DAZN but of course the potential is there. Wilder is still making enough millions that he is happy and he has done it without selling out his place in the decisions of who he fights and for how much. If he had signed with DAZN he wouldn't enjoy the measure of liberty he now has.

[OldTerry]

For Fury/Wilder to sell more than 500,000 PPVs would require two conditions. One, AJ will need to win the rematch and two, fans will need to be convinced that the winner will face AJ in a super fight. Like it or not AJ is the money, without AJ the numbers aren't there. That's fact not opinion.

The problem is that the smartest business move AJ can make (assuming he wins) is a rubber rematch with Ruiz for a mountain of money. On the other hand If AJ loses you can expect Fury/Wilder to sell 500k PPV's with the winner doing about the same vs Ruiz. In short, without AJ everyone takes a massive pay cut.

I can see things going like you say. AJ would be the big winner without risking a devastating knockout against Wilder or an embarrassing points loss against Fury.

[OldTerry]

Notice how certain fans are now quite happy to believe "sources"

Robbie - Your a source and I always believe you!