Comments Thread For: Wilder-Ortiz Rematch - PPV Buys To Land Just North of 275,000

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that $27 million was only the guaranteed purses. You are forgetting all the top secret Haymon suitcase side money, which should easily be another $30 or $35 million.......

Why are you trolling?

The filed purses weren't $27 million.

$27 million is what was reported as the purses AFTER you include the side money.

If they cleared $15 million on PPV, plus $4 million gate, plus whatever the site fee was that MGM paid, plus foreign rights, plus delayed broadcast rights (Fox will eventually replay the PPV in its entirety several times, as well as the main event several times for years to come), plus sponsorships, if the fight ultimately lost money, it wasn't much.

[thabanga510]

Lol these people will believe a guy who said he emails some of his friends to guess the numbers.

[Boxing Goat]

Wow, it did a LOT better than I expected.

[OnePunch]

Why are you trolling?

The filed purses weren't $27 million.

$27 million is what was reported as the purses AFTER you include the side money.

If they cleared $15 million on PPV, plus $4 million gate, plus whatever the site fee was that MGM paid, plus foreign rights, plus delayed broadcast rights (Fox will eventually replay the PPV in its entirety several times, as well as the main event several times for years to come), plus sponsorships, if the fight ultimately lost money, it wasn't much.

since when do you get both a site fee AND a live gate? (and Im not talking partials or guarantees)

And I'd bet a steak dinner that the rebroadcast rights and overseas rights COMBINED didnt reach 7 figures.

Novice posters might buy your nonsense, but I've actually co-promoted PPV events that sold overseas rights. I know how little money it brings. As a mater of fact, its so little money that typically the lead promoter doesnt even waste their time with it, they hire Sampson, Pelullo, or Rosenthal to handle the overseas sales......

Edit: but maybe hotdog and t-shirt sales made up the shortfall......

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Why are you trolling?

The filed purses weren't $27 million.

$27 million is what was reported as the purses AFTER you include the side money.

If they cleared $15 million on PPV, plus $4 million gate, plus whatever the site fee was that MGM paid, plus foreign rights, plus delayed broadcast rights (Fox will eventually replay the PPV in its entirety several times, as well as the main event several times for years to come), plus sponsorships, if the fight ultimately lost money, it wasn't much.

yeah all that stuff isn't worth close to 12 million. also why aren't you factoring in how much they spent on marketing? get the wbo on this because you are blowing it

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since when do you get both a site fee AND a live gate? (and Im not talking partials or guarantees)

The game has changed since you left. Haymon manages to keep the gate, but still get paid a site fee. There is still a value to MGM to have everyone at their casino and at their hotel, even if they're not keeping the gate.

And I'd bet a steak dinner that the rebroadcast rights and overseas rights COMBINED didnt reach 7 figures.

Well you're wrong, but believe whatever you want. I'm not going to post specifics of what the rights were sold for in each country. The rebroadcast rights were 7 figures on their own and the foreign rights were 7 figures as well.

Novice posters might buy your nonsense, but I've actually co-promoted PPV events that sold overseas rights.

And I've solely promoted PPV just last month that sold overseas rights. Who cares? You've worked on low level stuff. I've got weekly TV in 20 countries. I'm far more entrenched in selling foreign rights right now than you are and the company selling my PPV is the same company that sells PBC's.

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The game has changed since you left. Haymon manages to keep the gate, but still get paid a site fee. There is still a value to MGM to have everyone at their casino and at their hotel, even if they're not keeping the gate.




Well you're wrong, but believe whatever you want. I'm not going to post specifics of what the rights were sold for in each country. The rebroadcast rights were 7 figures on their own and the foreign rights were 7 figures as well.




And I've solely promoted PPV just late month that sold overseas rights. Who cares? You've worked on low level stuff. I've got weekly TV in 20 countries. I'm far more entrenched in selling foreign rights right now than you are and the company selling my PPV is the same company that sells PBC's.

ok thats an additional 2 million if anyone believes you. 10 milion to go! where is it! oh and its strange how you know everything except how much they spent on marketing/ads.

[Tyistall]

the number is 225k. Dan Rafeals just posted it

Actually, I put The Big Dunn on ignore because he's a jackass who posts ****** comments with no facts, just to argue. Also, I highly doubt that a fight that sold less than half the 16,800 arena had over 200k PPV buys. Unless it's Fox or the PBC actually coming out and claiming it, then it's a spin or a con. GoldenBoy has done it for years with some of Canelo's lesser fights. They will say that "someone in the camp leaked" a number or like this fight when they say "multiple sources", but never give the sources. Dan Rapheal doesn't work for the PBC or Fox so why would he somehow know what the numbers are but no one else?

[jdp28tx]

PBC just put 2 tough fights on PPV with Spence vs Porter, and Wilder vs Ortiz. As far as match making goes would you put up your best fights when you are paying for time buys?

Now that we have a FOX long term deal you are seeing better fights and more upsets. No on is really selling that much which is why Hearn and Golden Boy ran to DAZN so they never have to release thier numbers, and Top Rank never even release anything at all because of how low the numbers are.

I paid for Wilder vs Fury, put had to work for the Wilder vs Ortiz fight. Almost took the day off but thought against it when Nery was off the card.

Low numbers of buys is why there won't be much cooperation between networks. If Wilder ve Fury does not do well then don't expect to ever see Spence vs Crawford.

I am talking about the last 5 years. The fights you mention are recent. The past 5 years of bad fights soured the public on this generation of boxers. In the present PBC and others are putting on a few good fights now and then, but its too little too late as the public has already decided a few years ago that they are no longer going to buy ppv's because there were no big fights happening. PBC had a huge chance when they went on network tv, but they did not put on good fights. This is when the public decided. Haymon started too late because the public bailed on boxing 2-3 years ago. PBC putting on poor fights and Paq and Floyd having their fight 5-7yrs too late and then having a stinker of a fight was the final straw ever since then the public does not seem interested in ppv boxing.

[Articulateboxin]

I don't know why they're pushing to put every fight on PPV.

Simply because PBC have to match, or get close to what Wilder can earn on DAZN.

Now i'm quite surprised and happily so, that it's sold over 1/4 of a million PPVs! Especially for a fight that nobody had asked for and most of us grumbled about. I think it's definetley a step toward finally making Wilder more of a household name.

However I queried a user a week or so ago about PBCs revenue and profit earnings. I have no idea how in the world a company can continue to pump tens of millions of dollars into an investment that shows no sign of being able to repay on.

I said and still think eventually, that unless Haymon is richer than I realise (and maybe he is and just doesn't care about money at this point, maybe he just likes the control) eventually he's going to have to let Wilder fight on DAZN so he can take the 10-20% fee to recoup their loses to this point.

Now this is all based on the fact Wilder is legitimately being paid this reported $20 million and Ortiz earned his $7-10 million. While the PPV numbers were actually pretty good, their faces were plastered all over FOX, they had the 24/7 thing and seemingly endless advertising. This stuff isn't free! They must have spent millions in advertising and production costs.

However having said all that, the fighters are being paid!! That's what we like to see