Eddie Hearn really doesn't understand the US market

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Uncle Al could be dead. Who would even know?

All of the fighters, managers and network executives that talk to him on the phone on a daily basis.

[daggum]

In a relatively short span of time, Haymon has become the most powerful man in US boxing. I'd say he understands the market very well. He took boxing from an "out of sight, out of mind" sport hiding on premium cable, to a front and center sport on over the air network TV, with promotion during NFL and MLB games.




First of all, it's not unheard of. Second of all, MGM bought the tickets and chose to give them away.




PBC is generating more revenue than Matchroom. Matchroom controls the UK. PBC controls the US, but the US is far more lucrative than the UK.

Matchroom is also losing steam while PBC is gaining steam.

how much do you think this wilder-ortiz rematch generated in profit? 20 mill? 30? definitely more than wilder-fury. that was a big hit!

[2ndroundko]

who can afford to lose millions of dollars? well rich people i suppose but they still don't want to do that because of personal promises

what you call losing others feel is a investment. fox is getting the fury ppv, showtime isnt. anybody with some reasonable business acumen figured they would make a hard push for wilder-ortiz 2.

[Bob Haymon]

In a relatively short span of time, Haymon has become the most powerful man in US boxing. I'd say he understands the market very well. He took boxing from an "out of sight, out of mind" sport hiding on premium cable, to a front and center sport on over the air network TV, with promotion during NFL and MLB games.




First of all, it's not unheard of. Second of all, MGM bought the tickets and chose to give them away.




PBC is generating more revenue than Matchroom. Matchroom controls the UK. PBC controls the US, but the US is far more lucrative than the UK.

Matchroom is also losing steam while PBC is gaining steam.

He's been around a couple decades, that's not a short span of time. The sport is still out of mind. Four fights per year get some attention during NFL games and are still doing worse numbers than HBO PPV in it's heyday. Americans don't care about boxing and it's popularity has continued to decline. A lot of that is due to Haymon's business model of overprotecting fighters and keeping everything in-house.

I'm not an accountant for either promoter but since most of their money comes from broadcast rights I'd say Matchroom is generating similar revenue as PBC. Matchroom was mostly a UK level promoter and has expanded internationally and continues to grow. I wouldn't call that losing steam.

Nobody controls the US. All the major promoters have carved out their share of the market and have had their fair share of success as well as a few stumbles.

[Bob Haymon]

What are you even talking about?

Tyson, Ali, Frazier and Foreman didn't have to comp thousands of tickets to their fights like many of Wilder's fights. Wilder should be a lot more popular than he is. He might get buzz on social media but he doesn't sell tickets, most of his fights get average ratings, and he isn't really a ppv star.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Nobody of note wants to fight Mikey. He doesn't have a title. He just got washed by Spence. Beating Mikey isn't as big of a deal as it was before the Spence fight. There are bigger names at 147.

Maybe if Mikey plans on dropping down to 140. But who at 140 is trying to fight Mikey? Once again he doesn't have a title. Maybe Regis for the right amount of money. But if Regis plans on moving up to 147 why would he sign where there are no top name welterweights?

Haney vs. Mikey at 140 would be the best fight and Haney is already signed.

If Hearn thinks signing Mikey opens the floodgates he's more clueless than I originally thought.

Hearn sees Mikey as a tentpole fighter. If he signs him, the ability to sign others who may want to fight him gets easier. https://t.co/2owa8aY9wI

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) November 26, 2019

Hearn’s never been able to strategise, he’s just an opportunist.

He’s essentially the Adolf Hitler of boxing.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

In a relatively short span of time, Haymon has become the most powerful man in US boxing. I'd say he understands the market very well. He took boxing from an "out of sight, out of mind" sport hiding on premium cable, to a front and center sport on over the air network TV, with promotion during NFL and MLB games.




First of all, it's not unheard of. Second of all, MGM bought the tickets and chose to give them away.




PBC is generating more revenue than Matchroom. Matchroom controls the UK. PBC controls the US, but the US is far more lucrative than the UK.

Matchroom is also losing steam while PBC is gaining steam.

Did someone really say Haymon doesn’t understand the US Market😂😂

[saintpat]

Tyson, Ali, Frazier and Foreman didn't have to comp thousands of tickets to their fights like many of Wilder's fights. Wilder should be a lot more popular than he is. He might get buzz on social media but he doesn't sell tickets, most of his fights get average ratings, and he isn't really a ppv star.

OK, first, let’s see a link to proof of comped tickets.

Can you tell us where and when the giveaway was? Do we have a few thousand social media posts from people bragging about picking up their free tickets? Did they set up a booth on the street outside or how did they do that?

And surely at least one person in line got out his phone and got video of people being handed free tickets, right? Because to tell me there’s not a shred of evidence of this is beyond credible.

Now if you’re talking about the Wilder-Ortiz fight in Las Vegas, here’s how that works. The MGM Grand buys the event — they own the gate. And they can do with the tickets whatever they want. And what they want is to hand those tickets (comps if you will) to high-rollers (whales is how casinos refer to them). They don’t profit from ticket sales to these people, they profit from the money they wager (these are known, proven gamblers who drop huge bets when they come to town). And they also trade those tickets to other casinos for their whales (so whatever casinos have the hot acts, maybe a pair of ringside tix to a big fight is worth 100 tix to Penn & Teller who are doing 8 shows a week down the street or whatever).

But I’ll wait for your proof.

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He's been around a couple decades, that's not a short span of time.

PBC has existed less than four years. In that time, they've run HBO boxing out of business. Convinced Top Rank's biggest star to jump ship. Maintained their monopoly on Showtime. Convinced Fox to pay them tens of millions of dollars to air on prime time network television, accumulated dozens of world titles, etc.

The sport is still out of mind. Four fights per year get some attention during NFL games and are still doing worse numbers than HBO PPV in it's heyday. Americans don't care about boxing and it's popularity has continued to decline.

PBC is on Fox in prime time every month with fights being hyped year round on NFL and MLB broadcasts. FS1 & FS2 show about a hundred hours a month of PBC content. Millions of people are watching the Fox broadcasts. Even the fight camp episodes are doing millions of viewers. More people in the US are watching boxing than at any point since the 1980s.

Nobody controls the US. All the major promoters have carved out their share of the market and have had their fair share of success as well as a few stumbles.

Top Rank's roster is the thinnest it's ever been. DAZN has been a giant failure. PBC is on over the air network TV every month. PBC is on basic cable FS1 every month. PBC is on premium cable Showtime every month.

PBC has the most TV dates, the most stars and the most belts. They also have almost all of the American stars, while TR & DAZN are forced to focus on foreign fighters.

[Bob Haymon]

PBC has existed less than four years. In that time, they've run HBO boxing out of business. Convinced Top Rank's biggest star to jump ship. Maintained their monopoly on Showtime. Convinced Fox to pay them tens of millions of dollars to air on prime time network television, accumulated dozens of world titles, etc.




PBC is on Fox in prime time every month with fights being hyped year round on NFL and MLB broadcasts. FS1 & FS2 show about a hundred hours a month of PBC content. Millions of people are watching the Fox broadcasts. Even the fight camp episodes are doing millions of viewers. More people in the US are watching boxing than at any point since the 1980s.




Top Rank's roster is the thinnest it's ever been. DAZN has been a giant failure. PBC is on over the air network TV every month. PBC is on basic cable FS1 every month. PBC is on premium cable Showtime every month.

PBC has the most TV dates, the most stars and the most belts. They also have almost all of the American stars, while TR & DAZN are forced to focus on foreign fighters.

PBC only does 10 Fox shows a month. Last time I checked there's 12 months in a calendar year. Every single one of those shows has been in last place in viewership for broadcast networks. They're getting a small fraction of what the UFC was getting and what WWE is getting. None of their basic cable programming does remotely decent ratings aside from Plant-Uzcategui which was barely good enough to make the top 50 cable programs that day, a massive dissapointment considering the UFC would get 1-2 million viewers and was the highest rated cable program during NFC championship Sunday when they were on FS1.

PBC also has a monopoly on Bounce TV. What exactly is there to brag about? Showtime lost money on the only event that had over 500k viewers. They are a dead network for boxing. Cong**** to Al for running Showtime out of boxing also.

Top Rank has Crawford, Loma, and Inoue. 3 of the top 5 consensus pound for pound fighters. Thin roster doe.

DAZN still has the 2 biggest draws in the sport and has forced PBC to take losses on Wilder fights to remain competitive with the kind of money they've offered.