Eddie Hearn really doesn't understand the US market

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Well you can find Mathcrooms filings on company house, could you tell me where you're finding PBCs revenue from please? Again, as above - i'm not being antagonistic, i'm just curious!

I know what PBC's US TV deals pay, I know what their PPVs gross, I know what their gates are and I have a fairly accurate idea of what their international TV rights fees are. Matchroom is the big fish in a small pond. Not fair to expect them to be able to compete dollar for dollar.

[Articulateboxin]

I know what PBC's US TV deals pay, I know what their PPVs gross, I know what their gates are and I have a fairly accurate idea of what their international TV rights fees are. Matchroom is the big fish in a small pond. Not fair to expect them to be able to compete dollar for dollar.

Well that's why I was wondering if we can actually find some public postings about them. I'm very curious what PBCs (and ESPN, though this is via disney and much easier to find)) revenue is and of course what their profit is. I queried you specifically because I see a lot of people throw random "facts" about costings and actuals on this forum, but very little to show when asked to cite fact. Your posts have seemed very leveled and measured so I was just wondering if you had the scoop

And agreed! Matchroom really is a tiny fish, it's a very small (albeit growing) business that is probably biting off far more than it can collectively chew. However in fairness, it's DAZNs money financing a lot of the signings in USA, not really Matchroom. Though for me, that makes the costings of the business even more interesting

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Well that's why I was wondering if we can actually find some public postings about them. I'm very curious what PBCs (and ESPN, though this is via disney and much easier to find)) revenue is and of course what their profit is. I queried you specifically because I see a lot of people throw random "facts" about costings and actuals on this forum, but very little to show when asked to cite fact. Your posts have seemed very leveled and measured so I was just wondering if you had the scoop

I have no idea what PBC's profit is. I know their US TV revenue is $130 million a year. Their international TV revenue is approximately $65 million a year. You can look up their PPV buys and gates yourself surely. Yes, I do sometimes have an inside scoop after 20+ years working in the fight game, but PBC's financials are not easy to get information about and the way I get the information doesn't give me any insight into the profit of the operation.

[Bob Haymon]

Not in the demos advertisers pay for.

They're usually last or next to last in key demographics. Even then advertisers aren't paying top dollar for boxing. If the WWE which is much more popular is getting horrible ad rates you think advertisers have any significant interest in PBC?

You have no way of knowing what Showtime's viewership is. They don't release viewership numbers for the Showtime service. You only get Nielsens from the linear Showtime channel, but millions of people subscribe to Showtime directly.

Most people aren't subscribing to showtime for boxing. Their digital subscribers aren't even that many. Not enough to boost their viewership in any meaningful way. With garbage like Charlo-Hogan they will be out of the boxing business real soon.

Yes, very thin roster. They have nobody of interest beyond a small handful of guys and those small handful of guys don't draw. Crawford's big PPV did 100k and they haven't attempted PPV since. Nobody cares about Inoue in this country. Loma isn't drawing. Shockingly, Americans generally want to watch Americans. Casual fans see PBC fighters on other Fox shows, they can actually pronounce their names, and they tune in to watch them.

Even fewer people care about Brandon Figueroa, Brian Castano, and whatever other paper champions they have headlining PBC on FS1. Loma isn't drawing yet ratings for his last fight on ESPN did significantly better in key demographics than anything that PBC on Fox has ever done and was only 120k viewers from matching their highest viewed fight.

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They're usually last or next to last in key demographics. Even then advertisers aren't paying top dollar for boxing. If the WWE which is much more popular is getting horrible ad rates you think advertisers have any significant interest in PBC?

Boxing makes a lot more per viewer in ads than wrestling. A lot of very wealthy people are huge boxing fans, far more than wrestling. Boxing has a much classier image as well. Look at the stars that sit ringside for a big fight and compare that to who sits ringside at a big wrestling event.

No, advertisers aren't paying TOP dollar for boxing, but it's easier to sell ads for boxing than it is for wrestling.

Most people aren't subscribing to showtime for boxing. Their digital subscribers aren't even that many. Not enough to boost their viewership in any meaningful way.

Dude you just post straight up lies nonstop. Millions of people subscribe directly through Showtime because it's way cheaper than subscribing through cable. Also, unlike HBO's app, Showtime's app allows you to watch LIVE, so there is absolutely no incentive to subscribe through cable.

Even fewer people care about Brandon Figueroa, Brian Castano

But those are like PBC's 30th and 31st biggest stars. Who is Top Rank's 31st biggest star? Whoever it is, far fewer people are watching him than are watching Castano.

[Robbie Barrett]

I have no idea what PBC's profit is. I know their US TV revenue is $130 million a year. Their international TV revenue is approximately $65 million a year. You can look up their PPV buys and gates yourself surely. Yes, I do sometimes have an inside scoop after 20+ years working in the fight game, but PBC's financials are not easy to get information about and the way I get the information doesn't give me any insight into the profit of the operation.

There you go trying to mislead again. You weren't in the fight game. You were a morbidly obese, z level pro wrestler FFS.

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Well that's why I was wondering if we can actually find some public postings about them. I'm very curious what PBCs (and ESPN, though this is via disney and much easier to find)) revenue is and of course what their profit is. I queried you specifically because I see a lot of people throw random "facts" about costings and actuals on this forum, but very little to show when asked to cite fact. Your posts have seemed very leveled and measured so I was just wondering if you had the scoop

And agreed! Matchroom really is a tiny fish, it's a very small (albeit growing) business that is probably biting off far more than it can collectively chew. However in fairness, it's DAZNs money financing a lot of the signings in USA, not really Matchroom. Though for me, that makes the costings of the business even more interesting

you are talking to a mad man just to let you know. he pretends he has the scoop...and the scoop is always pro pbc just to let you know. spoiler alert. he also pretends to be three different people all using one account. i guess they take turns going on boxingscene? i dont know that has to get very awkward when wbc guy wants to logon but ibf guy is using boxingscene. LOG OFF IBF WANKER!

[Randall Cunning]

There you go trying to mislead again. You weren't in the fight game. You were a morbidly obese, z level pro wrestler FFS.

you are talking to a mad man just to let you know. he pretends he has the scoop...and the scoop is always pro pbc just to let you know. spoiler alert. he also pretends to be three different people all using one account. i guess they take turns going on boxingscene? i dont know that has to get very awkward when wbc guy wants to logon but ibf guy is using boxingscene. LOG OFF IBF WANKER!

Hes also that Fanofreason bellend. I see him waffling on about putting on wrestling PPVs in that account aswell

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

I have no idea what PBC's profit is. I know their US TV revenue is $130 million a year. Their international TV revenue is approximately $65 million a year. You can look up their PPV buys and gates yourself surely. Yes, I do sometimes have an inside scoop after 20+ years working in the fight game, but PBC's financials are not easy to get information about and the way I get the information doesn't give me any insight into the profit of the operation.

Showtime wouldn't have put up their half of 130m this year. They haven't done many cards and the vast majority of them have been weak af.

[Bob Haymon]

Boxing makes a lot more per viewer in ads than wrestling. A lot of very wealthy people are huge boxing fans, far more than wrestling. Boxing has a much classier image as well. Look at the stars that sit ringside for a big fight and compare that to who sits ringside at a big wrestling event.

The vast majority of boxing fans are ethnic and lower income. Wrestling's demographic is white and lower income, and they also do very well with the younger audience. Advertisers aren't gonna pay more money just because there might be a handful of 60 year old rich guys in Vegas who love boxing. That's why PBC had to run 100 Corona ads when they were doing time buys, nobody else wanted to buy ads.

Dude you just post straight up lies nonstop. Millions of people subscribe directly through Showtime because it's way cheaper than subscribing through cable. Also, unlike HBO's app, Showtime's app allows you to watch LIVE, so there is absolutely no incentive to subscribe through cable.

Showtime and CBS All Access had a combined 8 million OTT subscribers last time any numbers were made public. That's not nearly enough digital subscribers to move the needle, especially with garbage like Lubin-Gallimore. If you include app only viewership that might boost that fight from 198k to slightly above 200k, still a horrible number.

But those are like PBC's 30th and 31st biggest stars. Who is Top Rank's 31st biggest star? Whoever it is, far fewer people are watching him than are watching Castano.

Probably Gabe Flores who can actually sell tickets unlike PBC superstars Jermella & Jermalla Charlo who can't sell tickets at $30 and have to scale arenas to 25% capacity so it doesn't look terrible on TV.