Eddie Hearn really doesn't understand the US market

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The vast majority of boxing fans are ethnic and lower income. Wrestling's demographic is white and lower income, and they also do very well with the younger audience. Advertisers aren't gonna pay more money just because there might be a handful of 60 year old rich guys in Vegas who love boxing.

Thank you for your inexperienced amateur opinion. I'm telling you for a fact that networks pay more per viewer for boxing than they do for wrestling. How many shows have you sold to networks again?

Showtime and CBS All Access had a combined 8 million OTT subscribers last time any numbers were made public. That's not nearly enough digital subscribers to move the needle, especially with garbage like Lubin-Gallimore. If you include app only viewership that might boost that fight from 198k to slightly above 200k, still a horrible number.

Showtime currently has 25 million subscribers, 5 million of which are digital subscribers. 20% isn't an insignificant number of subscribers. You just blatantly lie over and over.

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Showtime wouldn't have put up their half of 130m this year. They haven't done many cards and the vast majority of them have been weak af.

PBC is guaranteed the money. Showtime chose to spend a lot keeping Wilder off of PPV in May, so they had to cut back in other months to stick to the budget. They're also doing three Tank fights this year and he's expensive.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

PBC is guaranteed the money. Showtime chose to spend a lot keeping Wilder off of PPV in May, so they had to cut back in other months to stick to the budget. They're also doing three Tank fights this year and he's expensive.

TV deals always have clauses. Showtime didn't give PBC 65m this year.

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TV deals always have clauses. Showtime didn't give PBC 65m this year.

First of all, I never said 65 million. You chose to split 135 in half. I never said Showtime pays as much as Fox.

Second of all, every contract has clauses, but that doesn't mean you know what those clauses are. It also doesn't mean that you have the required experience to reasonably guess what those clauses would be.

Showtime aired 10 PBC events. Which would average to $6 million per event if the budget was the generally accepted $60 million.

That $60 million got Showtime:

The replay of Pacquiao vs. Broner (plus a percentage of the PPV proceeds)

Wilder vs. Breazeale

Three Tank Davis events.

Two Charlo events.

An Erislandy Lara world title fight.

Two Robert Easter events, including a world title fight.

A Badou Jack world title fight.


You can debate whether Showtime should have spent $60 million on those events, but there's no doubt DAZN would have been willing to buy those events for $60 million.

With PBC, Showtime had Manny Pacquiao, Deontay Wilder, Adrien Broner, Tank Davis, Jermall Charlo, Erislandy Lara, Robert Easter, Jean Pascal, Badou Jack, etc fighting on their network throughout the year. In the current climate, $60 million is what it costs to get those caliber of events.

DAZN was willing to pay $20 million just for Wilder vs. Breazeale. Not sure why you find it hard to believe that Showtime paid $60 million to get that fight, plus everything else listed.

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Nobody of note wants to fight Mikey. He doesn't have a title. He just got washed by Spence. Beating Mikey isn't as big of a deal as it was before the Spence fight. There are bigger names at 147.

Maybe if Mikey plans on dropping down to 140. But who at 140 is trying to fight Mikey? Once again he doesn't have a title. Maybe Regis for the right amount of money. But if Regis plans on moving up to 147 why would he sign where there are no top name welterweights?

Haney vs. Mikey at 140 would be the best fight and Haney is already signed.

If Hearn thinks signing Mikey opens the floodgates he's more clueless than I originally thought.

Hearn sees Mikey as a tentpole fighter. If he signs him, the ability to sign others who may want to fight him gets easier. https://t.co/2owa8aY9wI

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) November 26, 2019

Don't know what the deal is, but it's my assumption that Eddie Hearn talked a load of bull**** to get his believed billion dollar deal ("there's a pool of unaffiliated talent that splashes money around, and we've got a decent idea of what the pay is, so if I flash some money their way, we'll bring all that talent to DAZN"), and he's grasping at ways to show improvement in the market to not have his option years cancelled (with the deal renegotiated).

Mikey Garcia took the leap with the Spence fight, but he's still a star in SoCal who can realistically fight 147/140/135 for the right opportunity.

Beyond that, you add the link to RG Boxing Academy (Robert Garcia has fighters spread out, but he's quietly managing a lot of guys and it wouldn't be hard to envision Robert's managing office rolled into a package of talent to move to one platform for the right deal).

Hearn is overselling, which he does a lot lol, but there is real value in signing Mikey, directly and indirectly.

[Scipio2009]

Meh, good signing but I think Mikey is just looking for a few more fights and probably not against anybody too good.



I Hearn is smart, he should be trying to get some kind of hold on Andy Ruiz in case he destroys AJ again.

After hearn just tried to stiff Ruiz on the extra Saudi Arabia money, and Haymon and Ruiz's management did what was needed to make sure Ruiz got a bump of the extra money?

Fat chance

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Stephen (Showtime) Espinoza understands it better. He decided to stop overpaying Wilder for the Ortiz rematch. It didn't make sense, according to him. Fans benefit by having more cards shown before the year ends.

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First of all, I never said 65 million. You chose to split 135 in half. I never said Showtime pays as much as Fox.

Second of all, every contract has clauses, but that doesn't mean you know what those clauses are. It also doesn't mean that you have the required experience to reasonably guess what those clauses would be.

Showtime aired 10 PBC events. Which would average to $6 million per event if the budget was the generally accepted $60 million.

That $60 million got Showtime:

The replay of Pacquiao vs. Broner (plus a percentage of the PPV proceeds)

Wilder vs. Breazeale

Three Tank Davis events.

Two Charlo events.

An Erislandy Lara world title fight.

Two Robert Easter events, including a world title fight.

A Badou Jack world title fight.


You can debate whether Showtime should have spent $60 million on those events, but there's no doubt DAZN would have been willing to buy those events for $60 million.

With PBC, Showtime had Manny Pacquiao, Deontay Wilder, Adrien Broner, Tank Davis, Jermall Charlo, Erislandy Lara, Robert Easter, Jean Pascal, Badou Jack, etc fighting on their network throughout the year. In the current climate, $60 million is what it costs to get those caliber of events.

DAZN was willing to pay $20 million just for Wilder vs. Breazeale. Not sure why you find it hard to believe that Showtime paid $60 million to get that fight, plus everything else listed.

You're right I did half it.

All of the articles that announced PBC's deals with Fox and Showtime last year, stated that they had the same monetary deal. Some of the articles says 60m from Fox and 60m from Showtime (Forbes, Sporting News, Wikipedia). Other articles list it as 60m+ from Showtime and Fox (Ring TV, ESPN, World Boxing News).

So they all indicate that they all paying equally as paying 60m+ is vague. As well as being the exact same figure.

[Bob Haymon]

Thank you for your inexperienced amateur opinion. I'm telling you for a fact that networks pay more per viewer for boxing than they do for wrestling. How many shows have you sold to networks again?

But wrestling has way more viewers though. That's why their price per 30 second ad is higher

Showtime currently has 25 million subscribers, 5 million of which are digital subscribers. 20% isn't an insignificant number of subscribers. You just blatantly lie over and over.

That wouldn't be enough to improve Showtime boxing's garbage ratings.

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Hearn doesn't understand the US market, he's a Brit. That's a given.

But why is Haymon/PBC try to emulate a guy who doesn't understand the market? Why are they overpaying Wilder for fights that don't make any profit?

I'm not a Brit, so I don't have any idea how Hearn is able to pay AJ x-times more than what Showtime/PBC/Fox is able to pay Wilder. And I once read that Hearn doesn't rely on PPV sales.

What I don't get is why are these people carrying Wilder's fights like to lose money just for the purpose of making it look like they're more macho than a non American like Hearn? It sounds ******.