After Pacquiao Beats Spence and/or Crawford. Where would u rank him?

[Mooshashi]

Well, if he beat Crawford AND Spence I’d rank him just above the Pope, because that would be a freaking miracle.

Manny isn't a Catholic anymore and he wouldn't take Pope Francis on at any weight. Plus, because he is an evangelical now, so performing a miracle would not automatically make him eligible for canonization.

Having cleared up the spiritual aspects of Manny Pacman, if he actually DID defeat EITHER Spence OR Crawford at the age of 42, I would catapult him over Floyd, who as he aged picked MMA feather fisted jokes and Japanese teenagers as opponents.

But I don't think he can win over either guy. Props to him if he gets in the ring with them, but I think both guys beat him.

[champion4ever]

One would have to fully assess both of their resumes in order to determine who have they beaten to accurately place where Pac should be ranked if by chance he defeats them both.

However, keep in mind, that Spence is still green and even though Crawford has unified two weight divisions and won the undisputed crown in one of them; There are still not many notable names on his resume either.

A victory over either one of them doesn't enhance his legacy one bit because neither has achieved anywhere near as much as Pac has achieved in his career.

[The Big Dunn]

OMG and Pac hasn't got decisive wins? He also has 3 wins if not scorecard error against JMM. Whilst Floyd was a cheated scales bloated win!
YOur really not making a good case. Maybe you shouldn't say anything in case you dig a bigger hole.
People don't think you can make a case for Floyd being better than Pac, so your twisting logic again and trying to play reverse phcology again.

where did I post Manny doesn't have decisive wins? Manny also has decisive losses, against weak competition, that factors into the rankings despite you trying to erase them.

Floyd is ranked ahead of Manny on every credible rankings of boxers by unbiased media and historians, which refutes your point that people don't think you can make a case he is better. In fact it proves my point that the people who say Manny is better have an agenda or are extremely biased, like this post where you try to dilute Floyd's win over JMM.

Look at your sig. You are so desperate to dilute Floyd's resume that you call Manny, who you claim to be the best of the era, "a former flyweight coming to end of career, past prime with no kos for ages. "

If beating him is no big deal (at a time when he was considered the 2nd best in the world) then you can't make a case that he is the best in his era.

[hugh grant]

where did I post Manny doesn't have decisive wins"

If beating him is no big deal (at a time when he was considered the 2nd best in the world) then you can't make a case that he is the best in his era.

OMG, stop with this logic.
It's clear Pac killed himself getting great resume and Floyd beat what was left of the little guy. Doesn't make it a great win for floyd, just like it weren't a great win for horn and bradley. Floyd beat jmm leftovers.Thurman probably fought a better version of pac also. Pac S confidence seemed back.
S o, again do you do anything other than try twist logic.?

[The Big Dunn]

OMG, stop with this logic.
It's clear Pac killed himself getting great resume and Floyd beat what was left of the little guy. Doesn't make it a great win for floyd, just like it weren't a great win for horn and bradley. Floyd beat jmm leftovers.Thurman probably fought a better version of pac also. Pac S confidence seemed back.
S o, again do you do anything other than try twist logic.?

If beating Manny was nothing since 2012, then he can't be the best of the era because the era lasted until 2018.

You just posted when Floyd beat 36 yr old Manny ranked #2 p4p IYO it was "what was left of the little guy" and therefore it wasn't a great win. It wasn't a great win for Bradley in 2012 or Horn in 2017. However Manny was "probably a better version of himself" at 40, when he beat Thurman. Interesting.

The only way he could be a "better version of himself" at 40 if he was at the end of his career 7 years earlier is if he found the fountain of youth (which doesn't exist) or taken PED's. Ironically, the Thurman/Manny fight didn't have VADA testing.

[LZBoxing]

Pacquiao doesn't want Spence

[hugh grant]

If beating Manny was nothing since 2012, then he can't be the best of the era because the era lasted until 2018.

You just posted when Floyd beat 36 yr old Manny ranked #2 p4p IYO it was "what was left of the little guy" and therefore it wasn't a great win. It wasn't a great win for Bradley in 2012 or Horn in 2017. However Manny was "probably a better version of himself" at 40, when he beat Thurman. Interesting.

The only way he could be a "better version of himself" at 40 if he was at the end of his career 7 years earlier is if he found the fountain of youth (which doesn't exist) or taken PED's. Ironically, the Thurman/Manny fight didn't have VADA testing.

You go on a lot about nothing but I'll be more succinct.
After Pac beat thurman most thought Pac hasn't looked that good in a long time. You have ups and downs in career. Pac was not far removed from jmm ko. He was tentative against floyd.
Pac S got his mojo and confidence back these last couple of fights.
Floyd S performance stunk against pac, as did Bradley's and horns. So nobody is going to rave about it

[The Big Dunn]

You go on a lot about nothing but I'll be more succinct.
After Pac beat thurman most thought Pac hasn't looked that good in a long time. You have his fans downs in career. Pac was not far removed from jmm ko. He was tentative against floyd.
Pac S got his mojo and confidence back these last couple of fights.
Floyd S performance stunk against pac, as did Bradley's and horns. So nobody is going to rave about it

So now you are back to diluting the wins against Manny while trying to elevate Manny when he beat Thurman. Can't do that. Manny was the same guy against Bradley as he was against Floyd, Horn and Thurman. Floyd just beat him because he is better than Manny. He is also better than Thurman, Horn, Tim, and JMM.

He didn't get his "mojo back" at 40, please stop you are making yourself look bad.

I don't care if you rave about it or not. The fact is Floyd won decisively, which is one reason out of many that Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny on every credible rankings of boxers by unbiased media and historians.

[hugh grant]

So now you are back to diluting the wins against Manny while trying to elevate Manny when he beat Thurman. Can't do that. Manny was the same guy against Bradley as he was against Floyd, Horn and Thurman. Floyd just beat him because he is better than Manny. He is also better than Thurman, Horn, Tim, and JMM.

He didn't get his "mojo back" at 40, please stop you are making yourself look bad.

I don't care if you rave about it or not. The fact is Floyd won decisively, which is one reason out of many that Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny on every credible rankings of boxers by unbiased media and historians.

You have ups and downs in careers. PAC was jmms used goods and it showed against bradley, Rio's and Floyd.
Floyd isn't ranked higher on credible rankings. Most people rank PAC higher. All big names in boxing have PAC top 3, from Barrera, Morales and countless trainers. There's YouTube video littered over internet. Nobody credible has Floyd that high.
After PACs win over Thurman people came to their senses as regards PACs and his worth

[The Big Dunn]

You have ups and downs in careers. PAC was jmms used goods and it showed against bradley, Rio's and Floyd.
Floyd isn't ranked higher on credible rankings. Most people rank PAC higher. All big names in boxing have PAC top 3, from Barrera, Morales and countless trainers. There's YouTube video littered over internet. Nobody credible has Floyd that high.
After PACs win over Thurman people came to their senses as regards PACs and his worth

Why are you lying? Those rankings are posted dozens of times on this forum. You've seen them. You've never posted any of these videos.

He is ALWAYS behind Floyd and you know this, which is why you either lie or try to minimize Floyd's wins.

If Manny is JMM "used goods" and that somehow minimizes Floyd's win then, using your logic, Barrera is Jones' used goods, Morales is Raheem's used goods, and Cotto is Margs used goods, which means none of Manny's best wins are worth anything.

Additionally since Floyd beat Shane, ODH and Hatton before Manny did, that would mean Manny's next best wins are worth nothing either since they are Floyd's "used goods" according to you.

If beating fighters that are not "used goods" is the measuring stick, Floyd has Corrales, Hatton and Canelo while Manny has Tim, which is yet another reason why Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny on any credible list of ATG boxers.