After Pacquiao Beats Spence and/or Crawford. Where would u rank him?

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  • hugh grant
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    #111
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
    How can Floyd be better? Let’s start with these facts:

    He’s voted ahead of Manny in every credible poll of ATG boxers.

    He beat manny decisively 10-2 , 8-4 and 8-4 when they fought.

    He has 2 wins- Manny and Canelo- better than any win on Manny’s resume.
    In Floyd fanboy land is where Floyd is greater.
    Floyd s inferior to pac, like Calzaghe is to Hopkins.

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      #112
      I'd rank him retired, since he won't beat either one of those guys.

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        #113
        Originally posted by hugh grant
        In Floyd fanboy land is where Floyd is greater.
        Floyd s inferior to pac, like Calzaghe is to Hopkins.
        The same rankings of ATG fighters that have Hopkins ahead of Calzaghe have Floyd ahead of Manny so what you posted here isn't factual.

        Calzaghe, the younger fighter, beat Hopkins, the older fighter, as expected. Floyd, the older fighter, beat Manny, the younger fighter, proving he is the better man.

        You can bring up fights where guys ranked lower on the ATG list beat older fighters ranked above them-M Spinks over Holmes, L spinks over Ali, Calzaghe over Hopkins, Tarver over Jones, etc That isn't the case with Floyd and Manny.

        With Floyd and Manny the older man ranked higher on the ATG list won, and did so decisively, in addition to having another win, Canelo, that is better than any on Manny's resume. In the case of Calzaghe, he doesn't have a win better than Bhop over Felix or ODH.

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          #114
          Originally posted by The Big Dunn
          The same rankings of ATG fighters that have Hopkins ahead of Calzaghe have Floyd ahead of Manny so what you posted here isn't factual.

          Calzaghe, the younger fighter, beat Hopkins, the older fighter, as expected. Floyd, the older fighter, beat Manny, the younger fighter, proving he is the better man.

          You can bring up fights where guys ranked lower on the ATG list beat older fighters ranked above them-M Spinks over Holmes, L spinks over Ali, Calzaghe over Hopkins, Tarver over Jones, etc That isn't the case with Floyd and Manny.

          With Floyd and Manny the older man ranked higher on the ATG list won, and did so decisively, in addition to having another win, Canelo, that is better than any on Manny's resume. In the case of Calzaghe, he doesn't have a win better than Bhop over Felix or ODH.
          It took you 24 hrs to come up with this? Floyd the bigger man with all the advantages home advantage, which calzage didn't have, in size, height reach beat the smaller guy with more wear and tear in PAC. Floyd was only 2 years older son your reaching.
          And calzage win over bh is better than anything on bh resume. It don't count for much.
          Only Floyd fanboys have Floyd above pac

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            #115
            Take those jokes to Comedy Central 😂

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              #116
              Originally posted by hugh grant
              It took you 24 hrs to come up with this? Floyd the bigger man with all the advantages home advantage, which calzage didn't have, in size, height reach beat the smaller guy with more wear and tear in PAC. Floyd was only 2 years older son your reaching.
              And calzage win over bh is better than anything on bh resume. It don't count for much.
              Only Floyd fanboys have Floyd above pac
              Home advantage? Manny was the crowd favorite so that negates any "home advantage". Manny could've stayed in Manila and never came to the US.

              Calzaghe wasn't smaller. Don't make stuff up.

              Floyd has defeated a number of men bigger than him so stop with that excuse. They were both WW champions. Manny lost because he wasn't as good.

              Two years older is still older.

              Why do you keep lying? Calzaghe's win over an old Bhop is not better than Bhop's win over prime Felix.

              There are dozens of historians and experts that have Floyd ahead of Manny which is why he is always ahead of him in every credible ranking of boxers. These voters are not Floyd fanboys.

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                #117
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                There are dozens of historians and experts that have Floyd ahead of Manny which is why he is always ahead of him in every credible ranking of boxers. These voters are not Floyd fanboys.
                More people think pac is greater than floyd. Bottom line. It's not close.
                That's why anyone who thinks Floyd is greater is considered a fanboy, until proven otherwise and is treated with su****ion just like Floyd unbeaten record is.
                Last edited by hugh grant; 09-17-2019, 06:47 PM.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by hugh grant
                  More people think pac is greater than floyd. Bottom line. It's not close.
                  That's why anyone who thinks Floyd is greater is considered a fanboy, until proven otherwise and is treated with su****ion just like Floyd unbeaten record is.
                  So its your position that all the boxing writers and historians that rank Floyd ahead of Manny are considered "fanboys"? All the writers at ESPN, boxrec, NSB, Ring etc. that have dedicated their adult professional lives to the sport are "fanboys" that are treated with su****ion? The experts, who have watched both guys whole career, assessed their resumes equally and fairly, and are unbiased, they are fanboys because the voted Floyd over Manny?

                  Of all the dumb sh-t you've ever written, this is the dumbest.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                    So its your position that all the boxing writers and historians that rank Floyd ahead of Manny are considered "fanboys"? All the writers at ESPN, boxrec, NSB, Ring etc. that have dedicated their adult professional lives to the sport are "fanboys" that are treated with su****ion? The experts, who have watched both guys whole career, assessed their resumes equally and fairly, and are unbiased, they are fanboys because the voted Floyd over Manny?

                    Of all the dumb sh-t you've ever written, this is the dumbest.
                    Pac s FOTD, that's the real award. He's candidate for being FOTD again. It's silly to believe Floyd could be above Pac in anyone's opinion unless there fanboys like you.
                    It's naive and silly to think Floyd has done enough in his career to be ranked above pac.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by hugh grant
                      Pac s FOTD, that's the real award. He's candidate for being FOTD again. It's silly to believe Floyd could be above Pac in anyone's opinion unless there fanboys like you.
                      It's naive and silly to think Floyd has done enough in his career to be ranked above pac.
                      The decade Manny won FOTD, Floyd had a better record. Manny's FOTD is like Karl Malone's MVP's when Jordan was playing. Yes Manny and Malone won the award, but in the end Jordan and Floyd proved they were better when they faced each other.

                      He's beaten many of the same fighters Manny has and also beat 2 guys, Manny and Canelo, that are better than anyone Manny has ever faced. He's defeated 8-10 HOF'ers and has never lost. Can Manny say the same? No.

                      If you were able to look at things objectively you'd understand this is a major reason why Manny is always ranked behind Floyd. Doesn't mean Manny has never accomplished anything nor that his accomplishments aren't worth praise and recognition.

                      Why do you think they always rank Floyd ahead of Manny?

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