Why is Spence ranked above Pacquiao in P4P?

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  • Scipio2009
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    #31
    Manny Pacquiao got edged by Bradley (cry all you want, Pacquiao's fought hard for 30 seconds, while leaving the remaining 2.5 minutes alone in too many rounds to cry about the result), got left for dead by Marquez, got served up 10-2/9-3 by Floyd Mayweather, and then got roughed the **** up when he lost to Jeff Horn (argue the result, Pacquiao left too much vacant for Horn to fill-in with his rough activity to open up the judges).

    The Thurman win (on basically a 50/50 fight), was impressive, but that doesn't wipe away the rest of it.

    Errol Spence Jr made the 2012 US Olympic team, had the experience that he had, and has basically gone up ever since; sawed through the intro level, sawed through Lartey in their prospect vs prospect scrap, sawed through the journeymen fights, sawed through the fringe contenders (Vargas, Van Heeden, Algieri, Bundu), and then went to Sheffield, England to face Sheffield's own Kell Brook when he was top 3 welterweight in the world (with Floyd exiting the stage for exhibitions) and won in style.

    To that you count Lamont Peterson getting throttled and Mikey Garcia basically getting skunked, and Errol Spence Jr's resume stands up pretty well with no blemishes.

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    • SplitSecond
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      #32
      Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
      Brook travelled to America and beat Shawn Porter really, really badly. 117-111 is a totally fair score for that fight.

      Porter’s only other loss was against Thurman and it could have been a draw.
      Nah, it was a close fight, I had Brook by one round. Could have easily been a draw too.

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      • FredRekk
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        #33
        Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
        I do know that. They don’t have to fight for me to know that.

        Pacquiao lost to Jeff Horn, fought a shot Lucas Matthysse for a pretend title, fought an Arden Broner who hasn’t had a convincing win in almost four years and beat a version of Keith Thurman who almost got ktfo by Jesisito López.

        He’s also 40-something years old.

        Spence is a top P4P talent in his prime. He’s bigger and has had better wins than Pacquiao recently.

        He would murder Pacquiao and I doubt that fight ever happens.
        Lmao at PAC haters literally making an excuse for every single one of PACs wins, what a joke.

        A shot Matthysse
        A Broner who hadn’t fought in awhile
        A past his prime Thurman
        A flu ridden Vargas
        A stomach full of tacos Bradley
        A Cotto with the chicken pox
        A Margarito with a carrot up his butt hole
        A Hatton without a passport
        A Barrera who didn’t speak Spanish


        Lmao you clowns kill me 😆
        Excuses after excuses

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        • x23shots
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          #34
          Because he's better than Pacquiao

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            #35
            Originally posted by x23shots
            Because he's better than Pacquiao
            ERR.
            Mama’s wrong again!

            Manny is a hall of famer and Spence is, well, nothing at this moment.
            So that means Manny’s better, facts are facts kid.
            Chin up kid, you’ll get them next time.

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            • CHOWWOKKA
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              #36
              Well he didnt lose to jeff horn.

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                #37
                Originally posted by CHOWWOKKA
                Well he didnt lose to jeff horn.

                ERR! Sorry folks, mama’s wrong again!!

                Manny is a HOFer.
                Spence at this point is not.
                Manny just best KEITH THURMAN.

                And Spence beat a lightweight by UD and no KD’s.

                At this point, Manny is better.

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                • New England
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                  #38
                  pound for pound lists don't just stack accomplishments next to each other and see who has the better resume. pacquiao's best days were damn near 10 years ago now. that is why! the wins he got in his prime do not have a baring on where he stands pound for pound in 2019

                  he and spence fight at the same weight, and spence would easily be a 2-1 favorite in vegas. probably 2.5 or 3

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by FredRekk
                    Lmao at PAC haters literally making an excuse for every single one of PACs wins, what a joke.

                    A shot Matthysse
                    A Broner who hadn’t fought in awhile
                    A past his prime Thurman
                    A flu ridden Vargas
                    A stomach full of tacos Bradley
                    A Cotto with the chicken pox
                    A Margarito with a carrot up his butt hole
                    A Hatton without a passport
                    A Barrera who didn’t speak Spanish


                    Lmao you clowns kill me 😆
                    Excuses after excuses
                    Manny has many asterisks attached to him, you can deny them if you like but it wont change the facts surrounding many of his fights, trying to trivialize weight draining, fighting name guys coming of their career worst fights, calling guys out here only to run away there, its all recorded history, facts and figures and cant be denied, but who ever said Manny fans are looking for truth, they are fans like a pop star has fans, 90% dont know a thing about the sport just hype junkies.

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                    • FredRekk
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by New England
                      pound for pound lists don't just stack accomplishments next to each other and see who has the better resume. pacquiao's best days were damn near 10 years ago now. that is why! the wins he got in his prime do not have a baring on where he stands pound for pound in 2019

                      he and spence fight at the same weight, and spence would easily be a 2-1 favorite in vegas. probably 2.5 or 3
                      Manny is a HOFer.
                      Spence is not.
                      Therefore, Manny is better.
                      You can say this, say that, but numbers don’t lie and facts are facts.

                      Manny just beat a more difficult opponent in Keith Thurman than MG, he did bigger PPV sales numbers, he’s a certified HOFer....uhh yeah, PAC is better.

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