Why is Spence ranked above Pacquiao in P4P?

[FredRekk]

So hes not in the hall of fame..

So ya got no supporting details to back up your claim....

[CHOWWOKKA]

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/inductees/modern.html

Look at all these hall of fame fighters who are better then Manny because he isnt on the list.

[FredRekk]

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/inductees/modern.html

Look at all these hall of fame fighters who are better then Manny because he isnt on the list.

Cool. But since Manny is a certified HOFer after he retires, he’s better than them.

We taking about Spence tho.

Where’s the supporting details and FACTS that prove your claim? That’s what I thought.

NEXT!

[CHOWWOKKA]

Cool. But since Manny is a certified HOFer after he retires, he’s better than them.

We taking about Spence tho.

Where’s the supporting details and FACTS that prove your claim? That’s what I thought.

NEXT!

My claim is that he is not in the HoF which I proved by providing the site where they list the fighters and his name is not there. And you unwillingly just agreed with me by saying "after he retires" meaning in the future, meaning not presently in the hall of fame.
Now since we agree he is not in the Hall of Fame and that was the only thing you used as evidence to put manny ahead of Spence in the p4p rankings, you can only surmise that Spence ranks higher then manny in p4p.

Good talk. You tried.

[FredRekk]

My claim is that he is not in the HoF which I proved by providing the site where they list the fighters and his name is not there. And you unwillingly just agreed with me by saying "after he retires" meaning in the future, meaning not presently in the hall of fame.
Now since we agree he is not in the Hall of Fame and that was the only thing you used as evidence to put manny ahead of Spence in the p4p rankings, you can only surmise that Spence ranks higher then manny in p4p.

Good talk. You tried.

He’s officially being entered into the HOF after he retires.
Spence has not earned that yet. Manny is better.

Sorry bud.

[LacedUp]

You are making the common mistake of confusing PFP rankings with resume. Rusume is what a boxer has done. PFP is how good you THINK a boxer is based on recent fights. The big majority think Spence would beat Pac now and is a better welterweight now. So Spence is ranked higher than Pac by those who think he would beat Pac. I agree. I think Spence would beat Pac today. You have a right to your own personal pfp list since it is jusst opinion and rarely provable. If you truely believe Pac would beat Spence today then rank Pac higher than Spence. Very few will agree with you. Spence's best wins are KOing Brook and winning every round from Mikey.

Can you find me the definition of P4P where Ring Mag says it's how good they think someone is and not what they've actually done?

[LacedUp]

Then you opinion is invalid.

You can't just arbitrarily change the meaning of term or phrase to suit your onw argument.

P4p means who is the best NOW!

Not last year, or ten years ago, or what not.

It's who is the best now.

Soon as you lose you drop down like Mikey did, like GGG did, like Pac has.

Right now, nobody believes that Pac is better than Spence except PAC fans.

Prime Pac vs Prime Spence? Who knows, personally I don't think we've seen prime Spence yet. Experience irons a sportman, gives him an opportunity to work on certain things and develop certain things, mentally, physically, emotionally, and skillwise as well.

Spence has been denied the opportunity to reach that peak of his abilities because the fights that iron a fighter out have been denied to him for a long time by the duck boys (Danny, Shawn, Keith, and recently Manny), he also faced Brook after a nine month lay off and had to travel too, and as everyone knows, inactivity is the bane of a developing fighter.

I think only now we are starting to see Spence reach that peak, after the Porter fight, we can then talk about prime/peak Spence.

P4P has always been the guy with the best resume and the best skills.

Spence has two recognizable names on his resume. One was a lightweight.

I'm not saying he can't fight, but it needs to be proven consistently in order for me to rank him higher than a guy who just beat an undefeated welterweight champion.

[LacedUp]

Didnt lose to Jeff Horn.

I think the Thurman win tells us as much about what Thurman wasnt capable as much as what Manny still is capable of. I see the argument that Manny should be seen as higher then Spence, but I also see it vice versa off of the eye test & performances Spence has given us. I mean sh^t in this day & age with boxers guarding their spot like I think almost everyone will argue Thurman did with his time on top you almost gotta give guys credit for fights guys above them didnt give them that made all the sense in the world like Spence vs Thurman made. Thurman took a out of the ring L to Spence years before he took an L to Manny in the ring.

Thurman has fought much better opposition than Spence, so how can you say he guarded his spot at the top?

He fought Guerrero, Collazo, and Lopez as his 'stay busy' fights, he fought Diego Chaves when he was a real player, and then added Pacquiao, Porter and Garcia to the list at the top.

Spence has Algieri and Peterson as stay busy fights, with his top filled up by Garcia and Brook.

There's no comparison to who has fought the better guys between those two.

[LacedUp]

Yeah i agree but Spence was already p4p. That's my only logical reason

Based on what exactly? What has he done that's P4P worthy?

[LacedUp]

pound for pound lists don't just stack accomplishments next to each other and see who has the better resume. pacquiao's best days were damn near 10 years ago now. that is why! the wins he got in his prime do not have a baring on where he stands pound for pound in 2019

he and spence fight at the same weight, and spence would easily be a 2-1 favorite in vegas. probably 2.5 or 3

And his recent resume is still as good as Spence's.