Why is Spence ranked above Pacquiao in P4P?

[Sledgeweather17]

P4P list is subjective, I like to base mine on body of work, not just who could beat who now.

Then you opinion is invalid.

You can't just arbitrarily change the meaning of term or phrase to suit your onw argument.

P4p means who is the best NOW!

Not last year, or ten years ago, or what not.

It's who is the best now.

Soon as you lose you drop down like Mikey did, like GGG did, like Pac has.

Right now, nobody believes that Pac is better than Spence except PAC fans.

Prime Pac vs Prime Spence? Who knows, personally I don't think we've seen prime Spence yet. Experience irons a sportman, gives him an opportunity to work on certain things and develop certain things, mentally, physically, emotionally, and skillwise as well.

Spence has been denied the opportunity to reach that peak of his abilities because the fights that iron a fighter out have been denied to him for a long time by the duck boys (Danny, Shawn, Keith, and recently Manny), he also faced Brook after a nine month lay off and had to travel too, and as everyone knows, inactivity is the bane of a developing fighter.

I think only now we are starting to see Spence reach that peak, after the Porter fight, we can then talk about prime/peak Spence.

[VG_Addict]

Spence is ranked higher than Pacquiao P4P? By whom?

[Vodkaholic]

Mikey was also a champ at 140 and he beat the hell out of Broner.

Lmfao beating broner at a weight broner hasnt made in years means nothing. You really think broner wasnt weight drained? Remember when he was suppose to fight porter at 144 catchweight then changed to 147 last minute? It was to accommodate broner. Not like that fight was a risk for mickey

[Ray*]

Then you opinion is invalid.

P4p means who is the best NOW!

It's who is the best now.

Soon as you lose you drop down like Mikey did, like GGG did, like Pac has.

Right now, nobody believes that Pac is better than Spence except PAC fans.

Doesn’t matter if my opinion is valid or not valid, that’s why it’s subjective 😂. You have YOUR interpretations of it, others do with their own. At the end of the day both haven’t fought each other. Would I pick Spence to be Pacman now? Yes, does that mean he beats Pacman? No, that’s why am going with their respective body of work.

Currently they are both in the same weight class, but one has a better resume and a better body of work. Putting Spence over Pac for me would make me feel like a fanboy.

[Eff Pandas]

Didnt lose to Jeff Horn.

I think the Thurman win tells us as much about what Thurman wasnt capable as much as what Manny still is capable of. I see the argument that Manny should be seen as higher then Spence, but I also see it vice versa off of the eye test & performances Spence has given us. I mean sh^t in this day & age with boxers guarding their spot like I think almost everyone will argue Thurman did with his time on top you almost gotta give guys credit for fights guys above them didnt give them that made all the sense in the world like Spence vs Thurman made. Thurman took a out of the ring L to Spence years before he took an L to Manny in the ring.

[El_Mero]

I do know that. They don’t have to fight for me to know that.

Pacquiao lost to Jeff Horn, fought a shot Lucas Matthysse for a pretend title, fought an Arden Broner who hasn’t had a convincing win in almost four years and beat a version of Keith Thurman who almost got ktfo by Jesisito López.

He’s also 40-something years old.

Spence is a top P4P talent in his prime. He’s bigger and has had better wins than Pacquiao recently.

He would murder Pacquiao and I doubt that fight ever happens.

Opinons are like as.sholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Assumptions are pretty much the same thing...

Spence's list of opps since Algieri:
Bundu - old gatekeeper
Brook - got stopped and orbital bone broke by Golo
Peterson - got ktfo by shopworn Lucas
Ocampo - who? but his mando
Mikey - glorified sparring session vs a SMALLER man with an outcome everyone knew before the fight happened.
Porter - his best opponent, PERIOD.

Pac's list of opps since Algieri:
FMJ - best of this era
Bradley - Trilogy only cause of the robbery of their 1st fight
Vargas - on par with Peterson, imo
Horn - robbery
Matthyse - Champ at the time
Broner - Name recog only
Thurman - better than any opp Spence faced, period.

[QueensburyRules]

Spence also beat Kell Brook, who was clearly the best welterweight of the time.

- -That makes you the dumberest poster here, not exactly breaking news.

[CoachMac34]

In the WW division right now, I think Spence AND Crawford are above Pacman. Freddie Roach/Team Pac don't seem very interested in making these fights. Both would beat Pac at this stage of his career. Arum didn't want to put the bout together when Pac & TC were with Top Rank. Lots of money to be made though with the PBC boys, Spence - Pac - Porter - Thurman - Garcia - Ugas - M. Garcia (maybe). Spence-Pac will happen if the money's right though, and it will be.

[Zaroku]

You are making the common mistake of confusing PFP rankings with resume. Rusume is what a boxer has done. PFP is how good you THINK a boxer is based on recent fights. The big majority think Spence would beat Pac now and is a better welterweight now. So Spence is ranked higher than Pac by those who think he would beat Pac. I agree. I think Spence would beat Pac today. You have a right to your own personal pfp list since it is jusst opinion and rarely provable. If you truely believe Pac would beat Spence today then rank Pac higher than Spence. Very few will agree with you. Spence's best wins are KOing Brook and winning every round from Mikey.

This ^^^^^^^. Thanks.

[KillaMane26]

Yeah i agree but Spence was already p4p. That's my only logical reason