Why is Spence ranked above Pacquiao in P4P?

[Roadblock]

He’s officially being entered into the HOF after he retires.
Spence has not earned that yet. Manny is better.

Sorry bud.

Manny is older not necessarily better, thats yet to be determined .

[KillaMane26]

Based on what exactly? What has he done that's P4P worthy?

Bruh...I aint make the p4p list lol. Ask Ring Magazine

[Squ□redCircle34]

If Pacman was in his prime he would still have a tough out against current Spence due to the sheer size and other intangibles to match!

I see it like this at 147...

1. Spence
2. Crawford
3. Pacquiao
4. Porter
5. Thurman
5A. D.Garcia

But I’m tempted to give Pacman number 1 cuz a prime Thurman undefeated win is absolutely over a Brook or Crawford’s best win especially when your past your own prime!

[Eff Pandas]

Thurman has fought much better opposition than Spence, so how can you say he guarded his spot at the top?

I've felt Errol was the biggest fight to make for at least a year while Thurman kept making it out to be his MayPac cashout fight. Before Manny was even a PBC guy Errol vs Thurman was the fight people wanted to see.

There's no comparison to who has fought the better guys between those two.

Did I even bring up resumes??? I'm just saying I don't think Thurman wanted anything to do with Errol til it was his cashout fight. I don't think Manny wanted anything to do with Errol either & idk that Manny will fight Errol next if Errol beats Showtime Shawn as expected.

[DaNeutral.]

Pacquiao is an all time who has sat at 1 or 2 P4P for years with Floyd. But his career is near the end, he isnt what he was so his P4P ranking has to slip. But if im honest im still not sure if i put Spence above him. Spence is a very good fighter but im not sure he belongs as high on the P4P list as some people want to put him.

[New England]

And his recent resume is still as good as Spence's.

if you can't see that one guy is a dominant fighter in his prime and that the other is faded and getting hit more that is on you! this is probably a manifestation if your dumb, anti-american agenda, but i really don't care where it's started from. the pound for pound list requires you to be able to take a look at fighters and know what you're looking at. the fact that i had to explain to you that pacquiao having a better resume doesn't make him a better pound for pound fighter in 2019 speaks. you may just be out of your element if youcan't look at errol spence, terrence crawford, and lomachenko, their body of work and their tools, and know they are better pund for pound fighters than pacquiao.

hell, vegas would tell you all you need to know. pacquiao has eben a welterweight for 10 years and he'd be the dog against spence and crawford.

only real advantage pacquiao has is activity, he's had an extra fight in 2019 but spence has one on the books.

[LacedUp]

if you can't see that one guy is a dominant fighter in his prime and that the other is faded and getting hit more that is on you! this is probably a manifestation if your dumb, anti-american agenda, but i really don't care where it's started from. the pound for pound list requires you to be able to take a look at fighters and know what you're looking at. the fact that i had to explain to you that pacquiao having a better resume doesn't make him a better pound for pound fighter in 2019 speaks. you may just be out of your element if youcan't look at errol spence, terrence crawford, and lomachenko, their body of work and their tools, and know they are better pund for pound fighters than pacquiao.

hell, vegas would tell you all you need to know. pacquiao has eben a welterweight for 10 years and he'd be the dog against spence and crawford.

only real advantage pacquiao has is activity, he's had an extra fight in 2019 but spence has one on the books.

As long as someone continues to fight better opposition, that's what he should be judged on, not on some fantasy crap.

[Sustanon]

u can clearly separate boxingfans from boxing idiots.
people saying PAC loss to Horn and Bradley 1 are clearly boxing idiots..
FACTS!!

[RuleOfTheSpear]

If Pacman was in his prime he would still have a tough out against current Spence due to the sheer size and other intangibles to match!

I see it like this at 147...

1. Spence
2. Crawford
3. Pacquiao
4. Porter
5. Thurman
5A. D.Garcia

But I’m tempted to give Pacman number 1 cuz a prime Thurman undefeated win is absolutely over a Brook or Crawford’s best win especially when your past your own prime!

[New England]

As long as someone continues to fight better opposition, that's what he should be judged on, not on some fantasy crap.

a pound for pound list is not just you stacking "opposition" over a course of a very long period of time! most of pacquiao's best opponents have retired, his best wins and his prime were years ago. that f#cking matters.

i'll give you an example. i don't think manny got a fair decision against jeff horn, but it's very fair to say he had trouble and lost rounds. terence crawford fought jeff horn, too. beat him up and knocked him out. crawford was a 135 lber in november of 2014. a 140 lber up until the horn fight, actually. so you have a guy fighter at lower or the same weights, against a common opponent, and performing better.

so why are you rating the welterweight who performed poorly against horn over the welterweight who completely dominated him? i'll tell you why, history. you're giving him credit for "being manny pacquiao" to the point that you're rating him above clearly superior pound for pound fighters, and that's wrong.

yeah, you do factor in him "being manny pacquiao" into a pound for pound list. but not that much in the face of such glaring evidence toward the contrary!

pacquiao's best win in a long time is a close fight against keith thurman, an inactive keith thurman. thurman had one fight in 2016, one fight in early 2017, and didn't fight at all in 2018. he did not look terrific in his tune up against josesito lopez. again, don't rate the name, rate the fighter and look at what he actually did.

prior to that pacquiao had gone through some typical pacquiao matchmaking for the later period of his career: guys who were there to make him look good and get him paid. jesse vargas, adrien broner, jeff horn, lucas matthysse's dead body. oher than matthysse who was totally shot and a shell of himself, pacquiao is not beating these guys up or even really distancing himself all that much. even 3-4 years ago he was taking the guys of this level off of their feet, and in his prime he was stopping them .

the point is that you're really missing what a pound for pound list does and why guys are rated that way. you get to compare a heavyweight to a featherweight.

in this case, you get to compare a strong, natural welterweight to a guy who would probably fight at 140 lbs if it weren't for the money, but who has actually been at welterweight longer than spence has fought as a pro. on paper you are comparing two welterweights. who do you think would win? you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me you think manny pacquiao could beat errol spence? terrence crawford? he'd be a 2-3 to 1 underdog and you know it. they'd beat the hell out of him and he'd retire. and you would learn something!