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  • #51
    Why not go all out and have the rematch clause say...

    In the event the champ loses, he retains the belts and titles until the rematch takes place and he loses again. Though should that happen, the initial loss shall be invalidated and another rematch undertaken for which the winner must be the champion who was incumbent before the first match took place.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Ray* View Post
      He already signed the contract. Everything was agreed to and signed before the first fight. He can refuse to fight doe, which means he is prepared for the litigation that might follow. The press conference is actually starting now in the UK on sky sports. With or without Ruiz they are going ahead with what was obligated in his contract.
      It's not that Andy signed the contract with the rematch clause, it's that he has little bargaining strength. AJ has the name and people in Europe buy his fights. Andy is champ but has little name recognition, and his hold on the belts is shaky at best.

      Consequently, Andy can refuse to fight on AJ's terms, but could lose one of his titles in the process. He then would have to defend the title against a lesser known fighter, for considerably less money, and could lose.

      And he does not want to take that financial hit. He could make more fighting AJ than in four fights with other contenders.

      Plus he stands a good chance of beating AJ, but would be overwhelmed in fights with Wilder, Fury and would get beat again by Parker (in my opinion).

      So Andy, take the money an run. If AJ beats you, you still have a few more major fights and will be set for life.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Ray* View Post
        Do you understand which part of the world these people are from? That would tell you all you need to know 😂
        I'm from Australia, so in any UK vs US beef I'm Switzerland, but there are some comments so straight up moronic, you actually wonder how they manage to get on the internet.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by pollywog View Post
          Why not go all out and have the rematch clause say...

          In the event the champ loses, he retains the belts and titles until the rematch takes place and he loses again. Though should that happen, the initial loss shall be invalidated and another rematch undertaken for which the winner must be the champion who was incumbent before the first match took place.
          Because the sanctioning bodies control the belts, not a private contract between parties.

          The rematch clause could say winner has to wear pink trunks with Mickey mouse on it, whatever, if you agree to it and sign the contract why wouldn't you be bound to it, you agreed and took the money. You don't sign a contract and expect all the renumeration without fulfilling your obligations, that's kind of the point of a contract.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Digital Mouth View Post
            Andy Ruiz is refusing to sign the contract because they're only gonna give him a $9 MILLION cut of the $50 MILLION revenue. The fight might not even happen unless earn with Hearn coughs up some more money for Ruiz.
            He signed the original contract with a rematch clause stating that he would fight the rematch for £8m.
            It has already been signed, since before the first match, he cannot refuse to fight now without being taken to the cleaners.

            You can't sign a contract, take the good bits, then change your mind when it comes to the crunch.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by andocom View Post
              It is pretty hilarious how it's suddenly human rights watch on boxingscene, don't recall the same energy when Khan had a fight there, almost as if there is an ulterior motive at play.

              It's a boxing match, not an endorsement of their political or religious practices, let's keep sport and politics separate.
              Yep, or with Smith and Groves .

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              • #57
                Originally posted by marvin douglas View Post
                It's not that Andy signed the contract with the rematch clause, it's that he has little bargaining strength. AJ has the name and people in Europe buy his fights. Andy is champ but has little name recognition, and his hold on the belts is shaky at best.

                Consequently, Andy can refuse to fight on AJ's terms, but could lose one of his titles in the process. He then would have to defend the title against a lesser known fighter, for considerably less money, and could lose.

                And he does not want to take that financial hit. He could make more fighting AJ than in four fights with other contenders.

                Plus he stands a good chance of beating AJ, but would be overwhelmed in fights with Wilder, Fury and would get beat again by Parker (in my opinion).

                So Andy, take the money an run. If AJ beats you, you still have a few more major fights and will be set for life.
                Doesn’t matter if Ruiz has little or big bargaining chip. Facts are he signed a contract which means he had to give a rematch in case he won. This is a standard clause for voluntary fights.

                He cannot “refuse AJ’s terms” because he already agreed to it and signed off the paperworks. Which means he is legally bind to a contract. I don’t know which part of the world you live in. But in the real world he isn’t going to just drop a belt and then walk away and carry on with his career 😂 unless Team joshua don’t want to bother him.

                If Team Joshua want to bother him then he would NOT be able to fight. It’s that simple.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by andocom View Post
                  Seriously, do people not understand what a rematch clause is? It's like oh Andy shouldn't be bound to what he agreed to because he won, well yeah that's the only way a rematch clause comes into play.
                  No, most of us don’t. Many claim to know exactly what’s in the contract, others are guessing, and some (like me) openly admit to never seeing a boxing contract, and having no idea how much detail goes into a rematch clause. My assumption though is that they aren’t all the same. My line of thinking has always been that If EVERYTHING was ironed out in the first contract, then we would already have this fight set.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by marvin douglas View Post
                    It's not that Andy signed the contract with the rematch clause, it's that he has little bargaining strength. AJ has the name and people in Europe buy his fights. Andy is champ but has little name recognition, and his hold on the belts is shaky at best.

                    Consequently, Andy can refuse to fight on AJ's terms, but could lose one of his titles in the process. He then would have to defend the title against a lesser known fighter, for considerably less money, and could lose.

                    And he does not want to take that financial hit. He could make more fighting AJ than in four fights with other contenders.

                    Plus he stands a good chance of beating AJ, but would be overwhelmed in fights with Wilder, Fury and would get beat again by Parker (in my opinion).

                    So Andy, take the money an run. If AJ beats you, you still have a few more major fights and will be set for life.
                    Parker didn’t even beat him the first time lol

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                      Nobody likes British food. Makes me wonder how all of their teeth fall out. If I had to live there I’d starve to death.
                      We actually have some of the best food from around the world. We aren't quite as sophisticated as hot dogs and squirty cheese but the quality of our produce beats American chemical fake food.

                      You don't have any protection from chemicals and hormones which are pumped into your food routinely.

                      We have to prove something is safe to eat before it goes on sale. You have to prove it causes harm to stop it from selling.

                      We have far better food quality than America and eat pretty much the same international cuisine (we just don't eat as much because we aren't fat morons).

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