Comments Thread For: Letters from Team Rivas Lawyers Might Foretell Lawsuit

[andocom]

Your definition of interested third party is your own. The rules are different for combat sports. That's why the provisional suspension can be used for fighters after the "A" sample alone. For team sports a positive "B" sample is generally required. Eddie Hearn himself never publicly stated that he couldn't notify Rivas. He chose not to because "Whyte" was cleared to fight.

Mate, that is copied from WADA 14.1.5, which is what defines who can be told as referenced in UKAD's guidelines, that is the complete opposite of my own definition.

[Alan Smithee]

You seem to be getting confused by the phrase "interested third party", that in this context is a technical term specified by WADA.

The recipient organizations shall not disclose this information beyond those Persons with a need to know (which would include the appropriate personnel at the applicable National Olympic Committee, National Federation, and team in a Team Sport) until the Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility has made Public Disclosure as permitted by Article 14.3. 88

As I mentioned, Interested third party in this instance is the commission BBBoC & event organizer, if it were a team sport it would be the league & the team, it wouldn't be every other team in the league or participant in an event.

Again, I'm just talking about what the rules say, not if they are good or bad.

The question is why NADP allowed Whyte to compete, without a sanction Rivas was not going to be notified. Even if Whyte wasn't allowed to compete via a preliminary suspension NADP/UKAD wouldn't have notified Rivas until he was actually sanctioned.

Actually you are the one confused or uniformed. Team sports and combat sports are treated differently by UKAD and VADA and it is totally understandable. A sprinter on Dianabol can not cause physical harm like a boxer can. An "interested third party" in this instance would most definitely be the opposing fighter. That's why Hearn never publicly stated that he was forbidden to tell Rivas, he just chose not to based on Whyte being cleared to fight. We can go on all night but trust me on this one. I spoke with one of the head physicians for USA Boxing on Thursday about the Whyte situation. I am not one to name drop but P.M and i'll be more than willing to give names.

[Alan Smithee]

Mate, that is copied from WADA 14.1.5, which is what defines who can be told as referenced in UKAD's guidelines, that is the complete opposite of my own definition.

I'll post some thread from Eddie Hearn:


Neither Whyte’s team, nor Matchroom promoter Eddie Hearn, were required to tell Rivas about the finding

“If a guy fails a drugs test and is pulled out of the fight then, of course, the opponent would be told about that.

“But, if a guy is cleared to fight, you’re not going to go to his opponent on Thursday or Friday and say, ‘There was an issue but he was cleared’.”


Another bone of contention has been the fact Rivas nor his team were told about the matter. Rivas' promoter at Top Rank, Bob Arum, felt Hearn had an "obligation" to let the Rivas team know precisely what happened. Hearn disagrees and says he followed the rules and didn't have to inform them.


Hey Andocom do you notice a pattern? Hearn was permitted but not required to inform team Rivas.

[Squ□redCircle34]

BBOC aka British Bullcrap of Corruption should be investigated internally!

We’ve who have common sense and intelligence have been telling y’all that Edwards Hearns is nothing but a Car Salesmen with inheritance!

Guy has no morals and is filth!
Should be charged on the spot and hope he does!
Whyte should be made the ultimate example and as well Jarrell Big Pharma Miller !

Edwards has this and the possible Ruiz fight in the courts to deal with after last year saying he’s taking over USA boxing talent!

It’s a tie between him an Oscar Dela Fishnets with the biggest L in boxing right now this year!

[andocom]

Actually you are the one confused or uniformed. Team sports and combat sports are treated differently by UKAD and VADA and it is totally understandable. A sprinter on Dianabol can not cause physical harm like a boxer can. An "interested third party" in this instance would most definitely be the opposing fighter. That's why Hearn never publicly stated that he was forbidden to tell Rivas, he just chose not to based on Whyte being cleared to fight. We can go on all night but trust me on this one. I spoke with one of the head physicians for USA Boxing on Thursday about the Whyte situation. I am not one to name drop but P.M and i'll be more than willing to give names.

Not a problem, point out in UKAD or WADA's guidelines these differences, I have quoted them verbatim as they are obviously public. I quoted directly from WADA's guidelines, you claimed that was my own definition which is not relevant, point out where an "interested third party" is defined if different then WADA's own guideline?

I have posted UKAD's policy which states who is informed and states that information is confidential.

Again, if Rivas/team was considered an "interested third party" he would be informed by UKAD/NADP, if he is not an "interested third party" those who are can't provide that information legally, its confidential, this is pretty basic stuff.

BTW Hearn absolutely has said he is bound by confidentially rules.

[Ray*]

What’s happening to the B-sample with UKAD? I said this several weeks ago. They would try and allow this to die down.

[andocom]

I'll post some thread from Eddie Hearn:


Neither Whyte’s team, nor Matchroom promoter Eddie Hearn, were required to tell Rivas about the finding

“If a guy fails a drugs test and is pulled out of the fight then, of course, the opponent would be told about that.

“But, if a guy is cleared to fight, you’re not going to go to his opponent on Thursday or Friday and say, ‘There was an issue but he was cleared’.”


Another bone of contention has been the fact Rivas nor his team were told about the matter. Rivas' promoter at Top Rank, Bob Arum, felt Hearn had an "obligation" to let the Rivas team know precisely what happened. Hearn disagrees and says he followed the rules and didn't have to inform them.


Hey Andocom do you notice a pattern? Hearn was permitted but not required to inform team Rivas.

You're quoting sources paraphrasing Eddie Hearn? Why not go straight to the source and hear it from the horse's mouth?

iFL Interviewer: The question is the WBC didn't know, Oscar Rivas didn't know, you were following protocol and confidentially, legally you weren't obliged to tell them?
Eddie Hearn: I wasn't allowed to tell them.

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[_Rexy_]

What’s happening to the B-sample with UKAD? I said this several weeks ago. They would try and allow this to die down.

Wondering the same. The fight was three weeks ago. How long does it take to test a blood sample?

[4truth]

What’s happening to the B-sample with UKAD? I said this several weeks ago. They would try and allow this to die down.

Has Whyte even asked that it be tested? I thought it was only tested if the person who failed requests it. I could be wrong but I thought that was how it worked.

[Slowhand]

So, the substance is Dianabol, one of the most potent steroids ever made and "boxing fans" are arguing over legal terms and contractual details? Fcuk you, and I mean all of you.