Comments Thread For: Letters from Team Rivas Lawyers Might Foretell Lawsuit

[_Rexy_]

Just glad Rivas wasn’t injured in that fight
The week before we were mourning two boxers
This being a vicious sport , I believe the opponent should be notified if anything is wrong
I can’t see why not to sue
Or at least make enough noise for them to change this rule which seems quite insane to me
They try to do so much , lol , to protect a fighter but then bullchit like this happens which makes no fughin sense whatsoever

Not to mention Rivas’ past eye injuries. He had missed two years due to his eye.

[_Rexy_]

Remember when BJS pissed hot for his nasal spray and even though he admitted to using it he still demanded a B sample be tested? We all thought that was weird as **** at the time, but what if he did it expecting to be allowed to fight while it was being tested?

How often does this happen in the UK??

[_Rexy_]

Eddie Hearn never said that he was not allowed to inform Rivas. His response was " Why should I tell Rivas when Whyte was cleared to fight". Something along those lines!

Yeah they then asked him if he would want to know if the shoe was on the other foot and he started stammering like “well, see I don’t know because rules are in place for a reason...” **** outta here

[andocom]

How could he not be considered an interested third party? He was fighting the guy. Your logic makes no sense. They legally could have told him and chose not to. Were they required to inform Rivas? No but according to their rules it was permitted.

You seem to be getting confused by the phrase "interested third party", that in this context is a technical term specified by WADA.

The recipient organizations shall not disclose this information beyond those Persons with a need to know (which would include the appropriate personnel at the applicable National Olympic Committee, National Federation, and team in a Team Sport) until the Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility has made Public Disclosure as permitted by Article 14.3. 88

As I mentioned, Interested third party in this instance is the commission BBBoC & event organizer, if it were a team sport it would be the league & the team, it wouldn't be every other team in the league or participant in an event.

Again, I'm just talking about what the rules say, not if they are good or bad.

The question is why NADP allowed Whyte to compete, without a sanction Rivas was not going to be notified. Even if Whyte wasn't allowed to compete via a preliminary suspension NADP/UKAD wouldn't have notified Rivas until he was actually sanctioned.

[Alan Smithee]

Waste of money , they can't sue an entire athletic commission who's own rules got the fight cleared meanwhile it wasn't in the U.S either which tests were clean so ?

Where are the grounds to sue , this guy will be bankrupted ? what a dumb move because even if Whyte is banned it wouldn't have broken any laws due to confidentiality that doesn't permit the promotion to disclose a fighters situation which was brought up already.

Have you been following the thread? The confidentiality applies to the public not the parties involved. Does Rivas have a case for "duty of care"? Who knows but it's possible.

[REDEEMER]

Wtv Fughnut Hearn did he did
But a commission having rules like that is pretty fughed in my eyes
Like I said before what would they say if something fughed up happened in that fight

The WBC / Vada got a positive test off of Stiverne but cleared him to fight by their rules they have to inform the opponents , if they didn't would they? It's not a promotion job to do that it's the commission more they set the rules and regulations.

[Alan Smithee]

You seem to be getting confused by the phrase "interested third party", that in this context is a technical term specified by WADA.

The recipient organizations shall not disclose this information beyond those Persons with a need to know (which would include the appropriate personnel at the applicable National Olympic Committee, National Federation, and team in a Team Sport) until the Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility has made Public Disclosure as permitted by Article 14.3. 88

As I mentioned, Interested third party in this instance is the commission BBBoC & event organizer, if it were a team sport it would be the league & the team, it wouldn't be every other team in the league or participant in an event.

Again, I'm just talking about what the rules say, not if they are good or bad.

The question is why NADP allowed Whyte to compete, without a sanction Rivas was not going to be notified. Even if Whyte wasn't allowed to compete via a preliminary suspension NADP/UKAD wouldn't have notified Rivas until he was actually sanctioned.

Your definition of interested third party is your own. The rules are different for combat sports. That's why the provisional suspension can be used for fighters after the "A" sample alone. For team sports a positive "B" sample is generally required. Eddie Hearn himself never publicly stated that he couldn't notify Rivas. He chose not to because "Whyte" was cleared to fight.

[Alan Smithee]

You seem to be getting confused by the phrase "interested third party", that in this context is a technical term specified by WADA.

The recipient organizations shall not disclose this information beyond those Persons with a need to know (which would include the appropriate personnel at the applicable National Olympic Committee, National Federation, and team in a Team Sport) until the Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility has made Public Disclosure as permitted by Article 14.3. 88

As I mentioned, Interested third party in this instance is the commission BBBoC & event organizer, if it were a team sport it would be the league & the team, it wouldn't be every other team in the league or participant in an event.

Again, I'm just talking about what the rules say, not if they are good or bad.

The question is why NADP allowed Whyte to compete, without a sanction Rivas was not going to be notified. Even if Whyte wasn't allowed to compete via a preliminary suspension NADP/UKAD wouldn't have notified Rivas until he was actually sanctioned.

However, in the case of certain doping infractions mandatory provisional suspensions are the norm. This norm becomes particularly important in combative sports where an opponent can be exposed to harm facing a competitor they otherwise would not consent to fighting.


https://combatsportslaw.com/2019/07/...he-rivas-bout/

[REDEEMER]

Have you been following the thread? The confidentiality applies to the public not the parties involved. Does Rivas have a case for "duty of care"? Who knows but it's possible.

That's completely nonsense as usual. Making stuff up as always. Under UKAD rules only the promotion run by the promoter and Commission is prevy to the confidentiality clause . This excludes outside parties .

[andocom]

I understand your going by the rules or should I say abiding by them
But in your own opinion , isn’t it fugh nuts that Rivas is not considered a third party in this bullchit
He’s not advised about this , what about if something drastic happened to him

I can definitely see that perspective, I personally don't think notifying Rivas makes a difference either way though, it should not be up to Rivas to decide.

If Whyte failed a test, Rivas shouldn't have a choice, Whtye should have been provisionally suspended and not allowed to compete even if Rivas was up for it. Like concussion protocols in various sports, you don't leave it up to the athletes as they are all to willing to continue and cause themselves harm.

The thing is, an independent National anti doping panel had a hearing and heard evidence that we don't know and cleared him to fight, that is the interesting part and there better be a good reason.