Mayweather takes a MASSIVE dive in the history books tonight (RIP floyd)

[aboutfkntime]

Pac s 8 wins over jmm, bradley, morales, barrera deals with flouds entire career, Floyd only has about 8 wins worth talking about. Many historians think Floyd lost to Castillo and maidana (and isn't it the unbeaten record flouds only selling point) and also that Floyd used cw against nelo to preserve unbeaten record. Floyd s record is manufactured, smoke and mirrors. Nobody considers him unbeaten and unbeaten records are su****ious anyway even Ali said it. And people are su****ious as heck towards floyds record.

Don't need to mention Pac s additional wins over cotto, dlh, Hatton which were more dominant. Floyd s got a competent resume compared to most fighters but no real comparison to pacs. Too strong in depth is pacs, Floyd would be first to tell you that in a private moment.

The thurman.win historically is better than any Floyd win. No ww has a ww title at 40. In history. Not srr, not armstrong. Not srl.

Hugh, this is the problem.....

FACT: that statistic is completely meaningless, just like an espy award

the ONLY criteria for greatness is..... who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

Pac beat Thurman..... who's ONLY good win is scraping past Shawn Porter

it enrages me that you have the cheek to mention Pac alongside greats like Robinson, Armstrong, Leonard..... for beating Thurman LMAO..... just because Thurman held one of the gazillion ABC titles that did not even exist back when those legends were doing their thing

they LITERALLY give those ABC titles away now..... you do not even need to win them in the ring

Mayweather beating Pacquiao when he was 38, is MUCH better than Pacquiao beating Thurman when he was 40..... why are you insinuating that 40 is some magic number, and 38 is not?

Hopkins became a GENUINE champion at 46, not a fake "I only beat Keith" champion..... and yet RIGHT NOW on the other thread pacfans are bashing Hopkins and calling him over-rated LMAO

slow your roll dude..... it was only Keith

either slow your roll..... or go onto the other thread NOW, and tell the silly pacfans how great Hopkins is for winning a GENUINE (not-fake Thurman title) title at 46yo, and for successfully defending the middleweight crown a record 20 times

[aboutfkntime]

There have been far weaker Wws champs than thurman in history so why no 40 year olds beat them? So your argument holds no grounds.

Pac s 40 so how can a Floyd win over pac at 38 be better. Jmm beat pac before floyd so it's been done before, so how does Floyd beating smaller Pac be so special. Pac did what nobody in history did. Floyd did what jmm did a few years before, so how can what flous did be so unique or special?.Before you click on submit reply can you re-read what you write please before unleashing upon world

is Pacquiao better than Thurman..... or not ?

FACT: Mayweather beating Pacquiao when he was 38, is MUCH better than Pacquiao beating Thurman when he was 40

it was only Thurman, you pac-tards are going full retard... again!

[hugh grant]

Hugh, this is the problem.....

FACT: that statistic is completely meaningless, just like an espy award

the ONLY criteria for greatness is..... who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

Pac beat Thurman..... who's ONLY good win is scraping past Shawn Porter

it enrages me that you have the cheek to mention Pac alongside greats like Robinson, Armstrong, Leonard..... for beating Thurman LMAO..... just because Thurman held one of the gazillion ABC titles that did not even exist back when those legends were doing their thing

they LITERALLY give those ABC titles away now..... you do not even need to win them in the ring

Mayweather beating Pacquiao when he was 38, is MUCH better than Pacquiao beating Thurman when he was 40..... why are you insinuating that 40 is some magic number, and 38 is not?

Hopkins became a GENUINE champion at 46, not a fake "I only beat Keith" champion..... and yet RIGHT NOW on the other thread pacfans are bashing Hopkins and calling him over-rated LMAO

slow your roll dude..... it was only Keith

either slow your roll..... or go onto the other thread NOW, and tell the silly pacfans how great Hopkins is for winning a GENUINE (not-fake Thurman title) title at 46yo, and for successfully defending the middleweight crown a record 20 times

Your going to keep trying to make a comeback to me on this aren't you I've hit a raw nerve haven't I you know therea truth to what I'm saying don't you?
Pac s win over thurman historically is better than anything on floyds resume.
What Pac did is unpresedented. jmm beat pac before floyd did. So although Floyd beating Pac is a nice win, people beat floyd to it. Floyd s dining on used goods like he did with jmm and cotto.
Pac beat thurman with wear and tear of 70 fights under belt.
Be careful mate. Floyd fans keep winning most deluded polls.

[The D3vil]

FACT: the number of divisions in which you campaigned, has nothing whatsoever to do with greatness..... there are plenty of great fighters who only campaigned in one division, including every great heavyweight

FACT: where you fought, has nothing whatsoever to do with greatness

FACT: espy awards (lol)..... have nothing to do with greatness

who did you beat..... with consideration given to when/how

* Floyd beat him head-to-head, when Pac was a natural welter
* Floyd beat more higher-level opponents
* Floyd never got knocked down..... knocked out..... or lost

Mayweather > Pac..... and is still not even close

FACT: the number of divisions in which you campaigned, has nothing whatsoever to do with greatness..... there are plenty of great fighters who only campaigned in one division, including every great heavyweight

Wow, I remember arguing something pretty similar to this when you were claiming that a certain Kazakh fighter was obligated to fight Andre Ward at 168 or Erislandy Lara at 154 to prove his greatness. Hmmmm

I will say that being able to campaign at weights 20 & 30 lbs heavier than your best weight absolutely DOES say something about your greatness.

The fact that Roberto Duran could push Marvin Hagler, the greatest MW post WWII in a competitive fight 25 lbs past his best weight absolutely says something about his greatness.

The fact that Floyd could campaign at 154 after being arguably the greatest 130lber who ever lived absolutely says something about his greatness as well.

* Floyd beat him head-to-head, when Pac was a natural welter
* Floyd beat more higher-level opponents
* Floyd never got knocked down..... knocked out..... or lost

Floyd beat Manny when they were in their mid 30s when both were past their primes, and Manny was no longer the buzzsaw he was in 2009.

Floyd beat more high-level opponents in his hometown in his home country, when those guys were either past their absolute best or were before they were at their absolute best (Canelo).

Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, no one's taking that away from him and him never being knocked down is impressive.

But there's guys ranked above him all-time pound for pound (Duran, Ali, Louis, Pernell, Roy Jones) who were stopped in their careers as well. No shame in that.

When you actually take risks. Things like that happens.

Again, Floyd took the safest possible route and that paid off for him, financially, but taking risks has paid off for Manny in historical ranking.

Now, if Floyd were to comeback and dismantle a Shawn Porter or Crawford or a Spence or even a Danny Garcia, then I'd probably put him back above Manny, but he would never take that risk. It's not in his nature.

Hell, I don't think he even wants it with a 40 year old Manny now.

[aboutfkntime]

Wow, I remember arguing something pretty similar to this when you were claiming that a certain Kazakh fighter was obligated to fight Andre Ward at 168 or Erislandy Lara at 154 to prove his greatness. Hmmmm

I will say that being able to campaign at weights 20 & 30 lbs heavier than your best weight absolutely DOES say something about your greatness.

The fact that Roberto Duran could push Marvin Hagler, the greatest MW post WWII in a competitive fight 25 lbs past his best weight absolutely says something about his greatness.

The fact that Floyd could campaign at 154 after being arguably the greatest 130lber who ever lived absolutely says something about his greatness as well.



Floyd beat Manny when they were in their mid 30s when both were past their primes, and Manny was no longer the buzzsaw he was in 2009.

Floyd beat more high-level opponents in his hometown in his home country, when those guys were either past their absolute best or were before they were at their absolute best (Canelo).

Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, no one's taking that away from him and him never being knocked down is impressive.

But there's guys ranked above him all-time pound for pound (Duran, Ali, Louis, Pernell, Roy Jones) who were stopped in their careers as well. No shame in that.

When you actually take risks. Things like that happens.

Again, Floyd took the safest possible route and that paid off for him, financially, but taking risks has paid off for Manny in historical ranking.

Now, if Floyd were to comeback and dismantle a Shawn Porter or Crawford or a Spence or even a Danny Garcia, then I'd probably put him back above Manny, but he would never take that risk. It's not in his nature.

Hell, I don't think he even wants it with a 40 year old Manny now.

WRONG !!


I said that Mr " anyone from 154-168 " should fight Ward at 168 to prove that he is not full-of-shlt

and..... Lara was willing to fight Pooseykin at 160

[aboutfkntime]

Your going to keep trying to make a comeback to me on this aren't you I've hit a raw nerve haven't I you know therea truth to what I'm saying don't you?
Pac s win over thurman historically is better than anything on floyds resume.
What Pac did is unpresedented. jmm beat pac before floyd did. So although Floyd beating Pac is a nice win, people beat floyd to it. Floyd s dining on used goods like he did with jmm and cotto.
Pac beat thurman with wear and tear of 70 fights under belt.
Be careful mate. Floyd fans keep winning most deluded polls.

you are talking absolute utter fanboy nonsense

like you ALWAYS do after a Pac fight

from the other thread.....

so, we currently have 85 world champions..... ?

amazing

wait.....

The Ring " belt ".....

so, we now have 102 world..... " champions "

let's face it, it is sooooo much easier to win a belt these days

they can - and have - LITERALLY given those fkn things away

these are my rankings at welter.....

1) Crawford..... NOT based on " achievement ", based on..... who I think would win between him and Spence

2) Spence

3) Pacquiao

4) Porter..... same as above, I think he beats Thurman now

5) Thurman..... I will give him the benefit of the doubt over Danny Garcia, but not a hundred percent sure

despite the fact that Thurman is not one of the top welters, and may no longer even be a genuine top 5..... Hugh Grant is on the other thread insisting that Pacquiao is greater than Robinson, Armstrong, Leonard, and Mayweather..... because they never won a welterweight title at 40yo, despite the fact that most of the shltty "titles" today, did not even exist back when those legends were doing their thing

the sloppy standards within the ABC bodies have eroded the standards within boxing..... and fans are buying it, if it benefits their guy

we saw the same thing when Golovkin fans happily approved Gennady equaling Hopkins record for middleweight defences, despite only defending a junior title that did not even exist back when Hopkins was doing his thing

it has been clearly obvious for DECADES, that the ABC organisations are the worst thing for boxing..... that is why our sport is so fragmented and has so many undecipherable problems

TV networks are the second worst..... they are just cancer

then promoters

like I said earlier.....

* Floyd beat more higher-level opponents, which is the only thing that counts

* Floyd beat him head-to-head, when Pac was a natural welter

* Floyd never got knocked down..... knocked out..... or lost


Mayweather > Pac..... and it is still not even close


you are talking utter pac-bollocks LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

Wow, I remember arguing something pretty similar to this when you were claiming that a certain Kazakh fighter was obligated to fight Andre Ward at 168 or Erislandy Lara at 154 to prove his greatness. Hmmmm

I will say that being able to campaign at weights 20 & 30 lbs heavier than your best weight absolutely DOES say something about your greatness.

The fact that Roberto Duran could push Marvin Hagler, the greatest MW post WWII in a competitive fight 25 lbs past his best weight absolutely says something about his greatness.

The fact that Floyd could campaign at 154 after being arguably the greatest 130lber who ever lived absolutely says something about his greatness as well.



Floyd beat Manny when they were in their mid 30s when both were past their primes, and Manny was no longer the buzzsaw he was in 2009.

Floyd beat more high-level opponents in his hometown in his home country, when those guys were either past their absolute best or were before they were at their absolute best (Canelo).

Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, no one's taking that away from him and him never being knocked down is impressive.

But there's guys ranked above him all-time pound for pound (Duran, Ali, Louis, Pernell, Roy Jones) who were stopped in their careers as well. No shame in that.

When you actually take risks. Things like that happens.

Again, Floyd took the safest possible route and that paid off for him, financially, but taking risks has paid off for Manny in historical ranking.

Now, if Floyd were to comeback and dismantle a Shawn Porter or Crawford or a Spence or even a Danny Garcia, then I'd probably put him back above Manny, but he would never take that risk. It's not in his nature.

Hell, I don't think he even wants it with a 40 year old Manny now.

FACT: before Thurman, Floyd is WAAAAAY ahead of Manny

FACT: after Thurman, Floyd is still WAAAAAY ahead of Manny

you are badly over-rating Pac's win over Thurman

we currently have 85 world champions

wait.....

The Ring " belt ".....

so, we currently have 102 world..... " champions "

let's face it, it is sooooo much easier to win a belt these days

they can - and have - LITERALLY given those fkn things away

these are my rankings at welter.....

1) Crawford..... NOT based on " achievement ", based on..... who I think would win between him and Spence

2) Spence

3) Pacquiao

4) Porter..... same as above, I think he beats Thurman now

5) Thurman..... I will give him the benefit of the doubt over Danny Garcia, but not a hundred percent sure

despite the fact that Thurman is not one of the top welters, and may no longer even be a genuine top 5..... Hugh Grant is on the other thread insisting that Pacquiao is greater than Robinson, Armstrong, Leonard, and Mayweather..... because they never won a welterweight title at 40yo, despite the fact that most of the shltty "titles" today, did not even exist back when those legends were doing their thing

the sloppy standards within the ABC bodies have eroded the standards within boxing..... and fans are buying it, if it benefits their guy

we saw the same thing when Golovkin fans happily approved Gennady equaling Hopkins record for middleweight defences, despite only defending a junior title that did not even exist back when Hopkins was doing his thing

it has been clearly obvious for DECADES, that the ABC organisations are the worst thing for boxing..... that is why our sport is so fragmented and has so many undecipherable problems

TV networks are the second worst..... they are just cancer

then promoters

it is ridiculous to suggest that Pacquiao beating Thurman at 40yo..... is even close to Mayweather beating Pacquiao when he was 38yo

Mayweather simply has more higher-level wins than Pacquiao

he also never got dropped..... never got ktfo..... and never lost

#notevenclose

[Spoon23]

Wow, I remember arguing something pretty similar to this when you were claiming that a certain Kazakh fighter was obligated to fight Andre Ward at 168 or Erislandy Lara at 154 to prove his greatness. Hmmmm

I will say that being able to campaign at weights 20 & 30 lbs heavier than your best weight absolutely DOES say something about your greatness.

The fact that Roberto Duran could push Marvin Hagler, the greatest MW post WWII in a competitive fight 25 lbs past his best weight absolutely says something about his greatness.

The fact that Floyd could campaign at 154 after being arguably the greatest 130lber who ever lived absolutely says something about his greatness as well.



Floyd beat Manny when they were in their mid 30s when both were past their primes, and Manny was no longer the buzzsaw he was in 2009.

Floyd beat more high-level opponents in his hometown in his home country, when those guys were either past their absolute best or were before they were at their absolute best (Canelo).

Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever, no one's taking that away from him and him never being knocked down is impressive.

But there's guys ranked above him all-time pound for pound (Duran, Ali, Louis, Pernell, Roy Jones) who were stopped in their careers as well. No shame in that.

When you actually take risks. Things like that happens.

Again, Floyd took the safest possible route and that paid off for him, financially, but taking risks has paid off for Manny in historical ranking.

Now, if Floyd were to comeback and dismantle a Shawn Porter or Crawford or a Spence or even a Danny Garcia, then I'd probably put him back above Manny, but he would never take that risk. It's not in his nature.

Hell, I don't think he even wants it with a 40 year old Manny now.

What you said here is what it’s all about. You are rewarded for what you accomplish in the ring.

- “Again, Floyd took the safest possible route and that paid off for him, financially, but taking risks has paid off for Manny in historical ranking.”

[sargo]

It’s unbelievable how many of you say “FACT” when it is just your (nobody) opinion.

[GrandmasterWang]

It’s unbelievable how many of you say “FACT” when it is just your (nobody) opinion.

Yeah it's sad seeing the word "Fact" misused by these fools.

Pac's win over Thurman was very nice and would have been a great note for him to retire on. It was a close, competitive fight against a prime, undefeated champion. Pac took a lot of shots from the bigger Thurman and would be wise to hang them up.

If he fights again and gets ktfo I'll have less sympathy as he had the perfect fight in Thurman (got a knockdown too!) to go out on.