Mayweather takes a MASSIVE dive in the history books tonight (RIP floyd)

[QueensburyRules]

Thats the thing Manny didnt, he has so many asterisks around the fights that you ignore, a 145 Oscar vs a 160 Oscar Floyd beat is just one of them, you are a dimwit that was butt hurt when Floyd stopped Hatton and you havent stopped crying since.

Even Thurman had a massive question mark hanging over him thats why he was chosen over Spence, you realise Manny called Spence out and then sht himself when Spence said lets go, boom Thurman looks sht in his fight so Manny says lets fight him, its always been the same with Manny he has a great matchmaking team thats for sure.

- -Musta fergot TUE 50-0 ducked out of 145 Oscar in the middle of promotions.

Manny jumped two weight divisions and the rest is history.

Esp TUE coming back crawling to Oscar and HBO after accusing them of being slavers.

Face it, ever day TUE fans dump their honor in the toilet for a good flushing.

[aboutfkntime]

This post has a lot of flaws. Manny did not fight all the top guys when they were in their primes. Marquez was past his prime when he beat Manny, Floyd was past his prime when he beat beat Manny. Manny has said that he considers the win over De La Hoya to be the biggest win of his career and we all know Oscar was certainly over the hill at that point, as well as being weight drained by fighting at 145 pounds which is a weight he hadn't fought at in over 7 years.

How can you say Floyd took the easier road when he and Manny fought several of the same guys? Floyd fighting some of them before Manny did.

You say Floyd would not get the decision over Castillo or Maidana anywhere else which is not necessarily true. If he fought those guys in Latin america I agree they would have likely gotten the decision over him. But in places like the U.K. where they favor technical boxers and clean technique Floyd would have still got the decision over Castillo and Maidana who had crude styles. And Let's not act like Manny did not get a favorable decision over Marquez in their 3rd fight, a fight which many people thought he lost.

Not every website has Duran over Mayweather. Boxrec certainly doesn't have Duran placed over Mayweather. And ESPN certainly didn't have Manny placed over Mayweather either when they did their 25 best fighters of the last 25 years list.

Maidana did not beat Mayweather, Hugh is a fkn ****

[aboutfkntime]

Watch Max Kellerman explain, back in 2016, why Pacquiao is a greater P4P GOAT than Mayweather:



(2:30 onwards)

Pacquiao captures the very essence of what "pound-for-pound" means in the first place. He captured the lineal title in five different weight classes (from flyweight to welterweight), a historic feat that has never been achieved before. The fact that Pacquiao, a former flyweight, is able to even compete with the best welterweights, is an unprecedented feat. He's the little guy beating up a bunch of bigger guys. That's what makes Pac a greater P4P GOAT.

WHO FKN CARES ???????

" titles "..... are BULLSHlT..... and the lineal champ is often not the best in his respective division

FACT: back in the day, there were only 8 divisions..... so you do not get to use criteria that exists in today's 17-division era, to justify greatness over guys who fought back when that BULLSHlT did not even exist

there is ONLY one criteria for greatness..... WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how..... that way we can cross-compare era's

NAMES !!..... not bullshlt anonymous titles

Max is a fkn fanboy..... a fanboy who stated that he thinks Marquez beat Pacquiao EVERY time they fought

if you and Max could say the names..... you would not need to count anonymous titles that did not exist back when many of the greats were doing their thing

Pac doesn't stack up man..... not his positives (wins), and CERTAINLY not his negatives (losses/ko's)

[aboutfkntime]

Pac s best of era. I still can't believe some people using flouds unbeaten record to put a case for him being best of era considering as far as people concerned Floyd lost at least a couple of times?

Firstly,
1)Being unbeaten don't make you best of era.

2) Having win over best of era doesn't make you best of era.

Not fighting abroad certainly is a barrier to be best of era. Not having as in depth resume as the best of era is also a barrier to being considered the best of era

Mayweather did not lose to Maidana you muppet

ok, if we are going to re-write history, and if you insist that everything Max Kellerman says is gospel..... then Pac lost every fight with Marquez, meaning that he now has about 10 losses...... putting him right up there alongside Salido

it is highly amusing that not only do you need to ignore Mayweather's better wins to argue that Pac is greater, you also need to forget about Pac's losses

here, I hope this will help.....

[ELPacman]

Pulling on losses when comparing legacies is a bold move. You honestly think that's Pac back then to now? The fact that Pac developed and created a fighting style from then to now that can compete with the very best is what makes him amazing.

His style has befuddled many and I would have expected him to outwork Jr. if they fought in prime years. No doubt. Jr. caught Manny with two major components against him going in. Shoulder injury and out of his prime. Manny's style was always meant for youth. He's adapted it nowadays to be more conservative due to age, but the style of his that was supposed to OVERWHELM Jr. was based around his youth. Not to mention his strongest punch was hampered with the shoulder. A win that I don't rate highly for Jr.

With that said, I think of the opponents Jr. fought and beat and the ones Manny did. Could Jr. have done or and as impressively or vice versa. What the hell you think Manny would have done to Gatti if they fought? Gatti would of been Hatton'd in rd1 with that type of defense and Manny's brutal power at 140lbs and below. Point being, any fight where Jr. looked most impressive, I think Manny would have looked more impressive if he didn't actually prove it fighting the same opponent.

Of course, I'm just a fanboy, what do I know.

[Spoon23]

Pac s best of era. I still can't believe some people using flouds unbeaten record to put a case for him being best of era considering as far as people concerned Floyd lost at least a couple of times?

Firstly,
1)Being unbeaten don't make you best of era.

2) Having win over best of era doesn't make you best of era.

Not fighting abroad certainly is a barrier to be best of era. Not having as in depth resume as the best of era is also a barrier to being considered the best of era

People are talking..

Manny's legacy is climbing up while Floyd goes sinking down down..

5-10 https://t.co/0sNXVgOEwo

— Max Kellerman (@maxkellerman) July 21, 2019

[aboutfkntime]

Pulling on losses when comparing legacies is a bold move. You honestly think that's Pac back then to now? The fact that Pac developed and created a fighting style from then to now that can compete with the very best is what makes him amazing.

the fact that Mayweather developed a winning style when he was just a little kid..... a style that was so well-developed by the time that he was 16yo, that Mayweather could successfully compete with a seasoned veteran pro and ATG badass like Pernell Whitaker (RIP champ)..... is even more amazing

not necessarily talking about you here..... but through ignorance, pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short

Mayweather has ALWAYS been great

His style has befuddled many and I would have expected him to outwork Jr. if they fought in prime years. No doubt. Jr. caught Manny with two major components against him going in. Shoulder injury and out of his prime. Manny's style was always meant for youth. He's adapted it nowadays to be more conservative due to age, but the style of his that was supposed to OVERWHELM Jr. was based around his youth. Not to mention his strongest punch was hampered with the shoulder. A win that I don't rate highly for Jr.

nope, not true at all..... when Pac was 30yo, nobody ever conceived that he would ever fight Mayweather

and when Pac was 30, he was just a normal 500-600 punch fighter..... albeit a very good one

Pac only turned into a 1200+ punch dynamo AFTER skipping through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months... while gaining 12lbs of muscle... and DOUBLING his punch output

at 30yo

I will say no more, and just leave it there

I am NOT saying that Pac is not a great fighter, because he is

again not necessarily talking about you here at all, just the Pac/May discussion in general..... but through ignorance, pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short

With that said, I think of the opponents Jr. fought and beat and the ones Manny did. Could Jr. have done or and as impressively or vice versa. What the hell you think Manny would have done to Gatti if they fought? Gatti would of been Hatton'd in rd1 with that type of defense and Manny's brutal power at 140lbs and below. Point being, any fight where Jr. looked most impressive, I think Manny would have looked more impressive if he didn't actually prove it fighting the same opponent.

Of course, I'm just a fanboy, what do I know.

thinking that winning by ko is automatically more-impressive than winning by UD, is flawed logic... and not how historians rack up the numbers

that comes down to styles..... but historians can not, and will not..... favor styles

e.g.

I can DEFINITELY argue that Mayweather beat Hatton more impressively than Pacquiao

forget the fact that Hatton was undefeated, and much healthier at 147..... lets just go by result.....

Pac vs Hatton, expected result:
Pac..... by violent knockout

Pac vs Hatton, actual result:
Pac..... by violent knockout

conclusion: Pac met expectations, albiet in spectacular fashion

Mayweather vs Hatton, expected result:
Mayweather..... by UD

Mayweather vs Hatton, actual result:
Mayweather..... by violent knockout

conclusion: Mayweather exceeded expectations

Pac met expectations..... while Mayweather exceeded expectations, against a better version of Hatton

you ask if Pacquiao could have beaten Gatti..... ?

forget the drained "worst position in his career" Cotto..... could Pac have beaten the 154lb revitalized Cotto who was on a great run?..... because, he turned down that fight at 150

there are a lot of things to consider, not sure if most fans do that faithfully and honestly

most pacfans do not seem to appreciate the WHOLE picture..... whether that is because of ignorance or dishonesty, I'm not sure..... but pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short

[johnbook]

Mayweather did not lose to Maidana you muppet

ok, if we are going to re-write history, and if you insist that everything Max Kellerman says is gospel..... then Pac lost every fight with Marquez, meaning that he now has about 10 losses...... putting him right up there alongside Salido

it is highly amusing that not only do you need to ignore Mayweather's better wins to argue that Pac is greater, you also need to forget about Pac's losses

here, I hope this will help.....

You cannot count those days when he was starving and dehydrated.

Hell, even the dog he had to eat was starving and dehydrated.

[aAgger]

WHO FKN CARES ???????

" titles "..... are BULLSHlT..... and the lineal champ is often not the best in his respective division

FACT: back in the day, there were only 8 divisions..... so you do not get to use criteria that exists in today's 17-division era, to justify greatness over guys who fought back when that BULLSHlT did not even exist

there is ONLY one criteria for greatness..... WHO did you beat, with consideration given to when/how..... that way we can cross-compare era's

NAMES !!..... not bullshlt anonymous titles

Max is a fkn fanboy..... a fanboy who stated that he thinks Marquez beat Pacquiao EVERY time they fought

if you and Max could say the names..... you would not need to count anonymous titles that did not exist back when many of the greats were doing their thing

Pac doesn't stack up man..... not his positives (wins), and CERTAINLY not his negatives (losses/ko's)

We're talking about the LINEAL titles here, not just any belts. Lineal titles, as in the man who beat the man who beat the man. Lineal titles aren't paper belts, but mean something, and have always meant something.

And we're comparing Pac vs. May here, not past champs. Pac and May are of THIS era, not past eras. So your argument about past eras is completely irrelevant. In THIS era, Pac has accomplished way more than May "pound-for-pound", i.e. in terms of weight.

Why should we be listing "names" when everyone here already knows who Pac and May beat? Last I checked, both Pac and May each beat about 21 world champions (feel free to correct me here). But the big difference here is that Pac beat champions across a much wider range of weight classes than May did. And that's what puts Pac above May in the "pound-for-pound" GOAT rankings.

And finally, Max Kellerman accurately predicted that May would beat Pac. And he said it himself that he prefers May's pure boxing style over Pac's aggressive style. So calling him a Pac "fanboy" is ridiculous. He predicted May would win that fight because he's the bigger man, and it turned out as he predicted.

While May has been beating smaller guys for most of his career, Pac has been beating bigger guys for most of his career. The point you keep ignoring is that Pac is a smaller guy beating bigger guys. That's literally what it means to be a "pound-for-pound" great.

[loui_ludwig]

the fact that Mayweather developed a winning style when he was just a little kid..... a style that was so well-developed by the time that he was 16yo, that Mayweather could successfully compete with a seasoned veteran pro and ATG badass like Pernell Whitaker (RIP champ)..... is even more amazing

not necessarily talking about you here..... but through ignorance, pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short

Mayweather has ALWAYS been great







nope, not true at all..... when Pac was 30yo, nobody ever conceived that he would ever fight Mayweather

and when Pac was 30, he was just a normal 500-600 punch fighter..... albeit a very good one

Pac only turned into a 1200+ punch dynamo AFTER skipping through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months... while gaining 12lbs of muscle... and DOUBLING his punch output

at 30yo

I will say no more, and just leave it there

I am NOT saying that Pac is not a great fighter, because he is

again not necessarily talking about you here at all, just the Pac/May discussion in general..... but through ignorance, pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short







thinking that winning by ko is automatically more-impressive than winning by UD, is flawed logic... and not how historians rack up the numbers

that comes down to styles..... but historians can not, and will not..... favor styles

e.g.

I can DEFINITELY argue that Mayweather beat Hatton more impressively than Pacquiao

forget the fact that Hatton was undefeated, and much healthier at 147..... lets just go by result.....

Pac vs Hatton, expected result:
Pac..... by violent knockout

Pac vs Hatton, actual result:
Pac..... by violent knockout

conclusion: Pac met expectations, albiet in spectacular fashion

Mayweather vs Hatton, expected result:
Mayweather..... by UD

Mayweather vs Hatton, actual result:
Mayweather..... by violent knockout

conclusion: Mayweather exceeded expectations

Pac met expectations..... while Mayweather exceeded expectations, against a better version of Hatton

you ask if Pacquiao could have beaten Gatti..... ?

forget the drained "worst position in his career" Cotto..... could Pac have beaten the 154lb revitalized Cotto who was on a great run?..... because, he turned down that fight at 150

there are a lot of things to consider, not sure if most fans do that faithfully and honestly

most pacfans do not seem to appreciate the WHOLE picture..... whether that is because of ignorance or dishonesty, I'm not sure..... but pacfans in general sell Mayweather WAY short

LOL, nobody expected a 2nd round KO or a violent KO.
Get real.