Comments Thread For: Ortiz, Trainer Angered Over Promoter's Handling of Joshua Talks

[P4Pdunny]

Firstly this whole “We didn’t know what was offered” is BS! They knew what was on offer, like I said many days ago Ortiz’s reputation has taken a massive hit! Go on social media and even amongst is Cuban countrymen, who couldn’t believe he turn down 5m or 7m.

Hearn claimed he text Jimenez directly and had words when he read his “Lowball” offer statement. So Jay cannot deny not knowing what was offered.

(Dade Promotions) somehow accept 500k last year, but they wouldn’t accept 5-7m for Ortiz this year? To make this short! Haymon either stopped this fight after Jimenez spoke to him, or Ortiz is on PED..

In regards to the PBC loyalist on here? Just ignore these posters. They are a disease to this sport of boxing, I have seen posters come and go due to their favourite boxers and I have to say, this lot are the worse boxing fans ever.

They celebrate a fight not happening, they celebrate a boxer turning down 10 times their biggest payday, they make excuses for why a boxer should hold out for more money etc They are a cancer on this forum..

on the money with this

[4truth]

Ortiz still considering offer

[Elastic Recoil]

Ortiz and Uysk and AJ's ******nite. Hearn knows skillful southpaws that can box have the beating of his man everytime hence the lowball offers!

[Deus]

You are missing the point, but I'm not surprised. I mentioned the $50 million offer because a contract never came with it, just like the contract never came with Hearn's recent offer to Ortiz and his team. It isn't a REAL offer unless they see it in writing. Otherwise it is just a type of political posturing to make it look like they tried.

Think about it. Why in the *** would Ortiz NOT take a fight that would put $5 million in his bank account at his age and stage of his career? For those that say Ortiz is scared or ducking, they are complete idiots.

Why would you send a contract when Ortiz team have refused every verbal offer? That makes absolutely no sense. Only once something is agreed in principle would a contract be written up... as is the case with near enough every situation where contracts are used.

You're just desperate to blame Hearn for anything when it's clear as day the issue in getting Joshua v Ortiz hasn't been Hearn... it's been Ortiz team and they've even admitted that. Ortiz trainer might be saying send a contract but when his promoter is saying that the offer is unacceptable and there won't be a fight what exactly do you expect Hearn to do?

[lowblows420]

Wilder turning down 150m miller losing out on 7m and Ortiz can't secure a 5m payday damn what's going on

[JWHardin]

Why would you send a contract when Ortiz team have refused every verbal offer? That makes absolutely no sense. Only once something is agreed in principle would a contract be written up... as is the case with near enough every situation where contracts are used.

You're just desperate to blame Hearn for anything when it's clear as day the issue in getting Joshua v Ortiz hasn't been Hearn... it's been Ortiz team and they've even admitted that. Ortiz trainer might be saying send a contract but when his promoter is saying that the offer is unacceptable and there won't be a fight what exactly do you expect Hearn to do?

Wow, perhaps I typed too fast for some to understand?

I used the Wilder $50 million offer for an example. At the time it happened all AJ fans said it wasn't real because no contract was sent.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Hearn won't send a contract until team Ortiz agrees verbally? ffs

If Hearn wanted Ortiz to fight, all he had to do is talk directly to him. If AJ wanted definitely to fight Ortiz, he would tell Hearn to make the damn fight. AJ is Hearn's boss, not the other way around.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Was it Danny Garcia or Vanes that spoke of the "extra" he got above his purse for a fight. Its a real thing with PBC. No need to ignore it. You pay income tax on income. There are ways to make money without paying taxes. Ask Donald Trump.

Thurman had said he got some extra at one point. Thats one guy. But that doesnt mean that EVERYONE does. And it makes no sense for Haymon to do it. That money has to be taxed SOMEWHERE. It just doesnt vanish into thin air. If Haymon doesnt disclose it, then HE gets taxed for it, and I guarantee you that aint happening......

Man y’all (The Media) have to stop posting these bogus ass PBC purses. You really think that’s all these guys are getting paid? 😂😂😂😂😂

— MostUnderrated (@Topdoggjr) April 27, 2019

[Deus]

Wow, perhaps I typed too fast for some to understand?

I used the Wilder $50 million offer for an example. At the time it happened all AJ fans said it wasn't real because no contract was sent.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Hearn won't send a contract until team Ortiz agrees verbally? ffs

If Hearn wanted Ortiz to fight, all he had to do is talk directly to him. If AJ wanted definitely to fight Ortiz, he would tell Hearn to make the damn fight. AJ is Hearn's boss, not the other way around.

It's completely logical and you know it. Under no circumstance would you ever write up a contract for somebody when their promoter is saying they will not agree to a fight.

What you would do is write up a contract if you have some basis of an agreement (ie. the fighter's purse) and then that contract itself would then be amended to suit any minor changes afterwards.

As for talking to Ortiz directly... you said a promoter works for a client so why then is the responsibility not on Ortiz' promoter to actually inform their client in order to make a deal? That would be the proper channel to actually do it and how fights are made; just not in this case because of Dade cutting Ortiz out of the picture.

If you can't comprehend this then you clearly simply don't want to comprehend it as it doesn't suit your argument. Though unlike you i'm not going to be so ignorant as to attempt to insult your intelligence.

[New England]

New EnglandMotorCityCobra

you suckers

i already told you they made a dumb move and that they were in a position that they had to "take it or leave it." those have been my exact words in several threads.

the difference is that you think the money was fair. offer him the money you've accounted for, IE what you put aside for miller. ortiz' people shouldn't even have a narrative to spin about it being a lowball. that way you don't devalue yourself [or let eddie dictate your value to be] less than jarrel miller, who was always a flat out worse fighter than ortiz and less of a draw.

[LacedUp]

i already told you they made a dumb move and that they were in a position that they had to "take it or leave it." those have been my exact words in several threads.

the difference is that you think the money was fair. offer him the money you've accounted for, IE what you put aside for miller. ortiz' people shouldn't even have a narrative to spin about it being a lowball. that way you don't devalue yourself [or let eddie dictate your value to be] less than jarrel miller, who was always a flat out worse fighter than ortiz and less of a draw.

Bro you’re saying $5million is unfair.

Don’t even backtrack? You literally said it was lowball. Totally embarrassing that you can’t admit you were talking out of your arse and were completely utterly wrong.

As you can see, Ortiz’s own manager is now pissed with his own business partner. Haha