Comments Thread For: Ortiz, Trainer Angered Over Promoter's Handling of Joshua Talks

[LacedUp]

Wow, perhaps I typed too fast for some to understand?

I used the Wilder $50 million offer for an example. At the time it happened all AJ fans said it wasn't real because no contract was sent.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Hearn won't send a contract until team Ortiz agrees verbally? ffs

If Hearn wanted Ortiz to fight, all he had to do is talk directly to him. If AJ wanted definitely to fight Ortiz, he would tell Hearn to make the damn fight. AJ is Hearn's boss, not the other way around.

Hearn asked for terms, none were given. Big difference.

[LacedUp]

Firstly this whole “We didn’t know what was offered” is BS! They knew what was on offer, like I said many days ago Ortiz’s reputation has taken a massive hit! Go on social media and even amongst is Cuban countrymen, who couldn’t believe he turn down 5m or 7m.

Hearn claimed he text Jimenez directly and had words when he read his “Lowball” offer statement. So Jay cannot deny not knowing what was offered.

(Dade Promotions) somehow accept 500k last year, but they wouldn’t accept 5-7m for Ortiz this year? To make this short! Haymon either stopped this fight after Jimenez spoke to him, or Ortiz is on PED..

In regards to the PBC loyalist on here? Just ignore these posters. They are a disease to this sport of boxing, I have seen posters come and go due to their favourite boxers and I have to say, this lot are the worse boxing fans ever.

They celebrate a fight not happening, they celebrate a boxer turning down 10 times their biggest payday, they make excuses for why a boxer should hold out for more money etc They are a cancer on this forum..

Amen 🙏🏻 spot on

[JWHardin]

Hearn asked for terms, none were given. Big difference.

No contract equals no true legit offer. Especially if he didn't talk to Ortiz himself. All it would have taken is a phone call. If Joshua wanted Ortiz he would be fighting him.

[JWHardin]

It's completely logical and you know it. Under no circumstance would you ever write up a contract for somebody when their promoter is saying they will not agree to a fight.

What you would do is write up a contract if you have some basis of an agreement (ie. the fighter's purse) and then that contract itself would then be amended to suit any minor changes afterwards.

As for talking to Ortiz directly... you said a promoter works for a client so why then is the responsibility not on Ortiz' promoter to actually inform their client in order to make a deal? That would be the proper channel to actually do it and how fights are made; just not in this case because of Dade cutting Ortiz out of the picture.

If you can't comprehend this then you clearly simply don't want to comprehend it as it doesn't suit your argument. Though unlike you i'm not going to be so ignorant as to attempt to insult your intelligence.

So why wouldn't Hearn/Joshua verbally agree to Wilder's $50 million offer? They didn't have to sign until they agreed to what they saw in writing. The fact is they didn't want the fight then. The phony 24hr deadline to sign to fight Povetkin, its all BS by Hearn. They didn't sign until a week later.

Joshua would be fighting Ortiz if that is what he wants. That is the bottom line and a fact that cannot be disputed.

[Toffee]

So why wouldn't Hearn/Joshua verbally agree to Wilder's $50 million offer? They didn't have to sign until they agreed to what they saw in writing. The fact is they didn't want the fight then. The phony 24hr deadline to sign to fight Povetkin, its all BS by Hearn. They didn't sign until a week later.

Joshua would be fighting Ortiz if that is what he wants. That is the bottom line and a fact that cannot be disputed.

They did. They asked for terms to be sent through.

What they didn't do was walk away and announce to the world that Winkle was lowballing them so the fight's off.

Huge difference. Surely you can see the difference?

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Ortiz and Uysk and AJ's ******nite. Hearn knows skillful southpaws that can box have the beating of his man everytime hence the lowball offers!

When Eddie offers Usyk the Joshua fight for more money than he has ever seen before he will sign the contract.

All I see from Ortiz is excuses.

[lolasif]

So why wouldn't Hearn/Joshua verbally agree to Wilder's $50 million offer? They didn't have to sign until they agreed to what they saw in writing. The fact is they didn't want the fight then. The phony 24hr deadline to sign to fight Povetkin, its all BS by Hearn. They didn't sign until a week later.

Joshua would be fighting Ortiz if that is what he wants. That is the bottom line and a fact that cannot be disputed.

There's a big difference between countering an offer, and outright rejecting. When Joshua rejected the offer from Wilder, he countered it with an offer that Wilder accepted, and even sent a contract, which Wilder then refused to sign.

In this case with Ortiz, his promoter ended negotiations. Unless his promoter asks for a contract, there is no point sending one, because the terms have already been rejected.

[LacedUp]

No contract equals no true legit offer. Especially if he didn't talk to Ortiz himself. All it would have taken is a phone call. If Joshua wanted Ortiz he would be fighting him.

No offers are made directly to the fighter.

That's literally why he has a manager. The manager was included, so was the promoter.

They know it was a real offer, they received the terms, time, date, place etc. Even the manager said so.

Yet here you are.. I mean lol.

Just be quiet little boy.

[JWHardin]

No offers are made directly to the fighter.

That's literally why he has a manager. The manager was included, so was the promoter.

They know it was a real offer, they received the terms, time, date, place etc. Even the manager said so.

Yet here you are.. I mean lol.

Just be quiet little boy.

"They"? I thought you were a little bit smarter than the rest, but guess I am wrong. They can say what they want for the media. It means nothing unless they see it in writing. There is clearly a communication problem between Ortiz and his management. They need to be fired.

[JWHardin]

There's a big difference between countering an offer, and outright rejecting. When Joshua rejected the offer from Wilder, he countered it with an offer that Wilder accepted, and even sent a contract, which Wilder then refused to sign.

In this case with Ortiz, his promoter ended negotiations. Unless his promoter asks for a contract, there is no point sending one, because the terms have already been rejected.

Do you, or I, actually know what transpired between Hearn and Ortiz's management? No. My main argument was with Hearn vs Ortiz. If Hearn wanted the fight, or AJ did,they would find a way to get it made.

By the way, it wasn't Joshua that countered Wilder's offer. He verbally accepted it before Hearn got into it.