Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[BennyBlanco]

Espinoza is full of shyt. lol This is damage control spin nothing more. He is being paid less that's why Espinoza is so damn cryptic it's why Wilder and his management have been cryptic. In the past all these guys have had no problems screaming from the roof top the money they making. All this BS well he is making a lot of money we just can't tell you how much but if we did nobody would criticize him. Load of horse shyt because if that were true then releasing that info would kill all the criticism he taking for passing on large deals. Showtime is NOT paying him 20M(DAZN offer) for a fight that isn't even on PPV especially with no long term contract for future fights. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain ******ed.

And Wilder isn't loyal to Showtime he is loyal to Haymon. Hell he's already fought many times outside of Showtime. If he was "loyal" to Showtime he wouldn't of fought on FOX (Twice), NBC, CBS ect . He went a 2 year stretch where he stopped fighting on Showtime had just one fight on Showtime during that stretch and whatever other network Haymon told him to for the rest. That's like a man saying his girlfriend is loyal to him meanwhile she has been caught cheating on him 4 times already. LMAO

You have no idea what you're talking about. Wilder never fought on NBC or CBS. And you think Showtime was interested in paying for the Duhaupas fight, or the Arreola fight, or the Gerald Washington fight? No way. Smart decision. Let another network pay for the mismatches and then keep the good fights on Showtime.

That's not disloyalty, that's smart business decisions.

[KTFOKING]

Then why didn't Dana release the numbers??

Dana never releases numbers even for UFC PPVs. He will just say it did massive numbers or broke records blah blah blah.

But let's get back to point. The 325k number is just for US PPVs, not a worldwide number being reported by the boxing writers. They never release worldwide numbers. Much easier to get numbers leaked stateside then it is around the world, particularly in the UK where not even UK writers are able to get the numbers.

[pillowfists98]

I can't wait till this scum of the earth Espinoza is out of boxing.

[Thuglife Nelo]

So you want Showtime commentators to be like HBO and favor the house fighter? No thank you.

I agreed with Showtime...

[mastersson]

The vast majority of criticism (and indeed a sick level of disordered obsession with council estate chavs who are unemployed and with too much time on their hands) is coming from Europe and specifically the uk where the Joshua-hearn fanbase is. Legions of casual fans who live vicariously through Eddie Hearn are the ones flooding social media with their off meds postings. It’s pathetic, severely disordered....and it makes one feel justified in throwing peanuts at such low intellects. I just cannot fathom the obsession these people have with other men’s finances not the disordered belief that wilder “must” sign with the app Hearn represents and has options with otherwise he is “ducking” when Joshua isn’t even signed with that app and at no time has ever been told he “must” sign with FOX or Showtime to fight wilder

Salute 100!

[Bronx2245]

Not the same thing at all.

One thing is the head of a network not announcing PUBLICLY the terms of a fighter's deal.

The other is during PRIVATE FACE TO FACE NEGOTIATIONS, not knowing what the total pot of money is and not knowing what the other fighter is getting paid.

Two very different things.

Excellent post! How can one know what percentage of the pie you're getting if you don't know what the other side is making? The deaf, dumb, and blind, will say "Does it matter?" Hell yeah, it matters! $40 million sounds like a lot, until you find out the other guy got $80 million!

[uppercut510]

why are you all so emotionally attatched to people you don't even know to the point you willing to disrespect people on this level, name calling, and much more all over money you will never see???????

[marvin douglas]

Dana never releases numbers even for UFC PPVs. He will just say it did massive numbers or broke records blah blah blah.

But let's get back to point. The 325k number is just for US PPVs, not a worldwide number being reported by the boxing writers. They never release worldwide numbers. Much easier to get numbers leaked stateside then it is around the world, particularly in the UK where not even UK writers are able to get the numbers.

Boxing writers and leaked numbers? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about finance, Forbes magazine and the Wall Street Journal. There is always a bottom line and someone has access to it. In fact, someone printed it out on an accounting form.

Finally, and I have to go for the day, but why wouldn't Showtime release the numbers to Forbes and the WSJ for publicity? You know what? They did.

[Bronx2245]

Espinoza is full of shyt. lol This is damage control spin nothing more. He is being paid less that's why Espinoza is so damn cryptic it's why Wilder and his management have been cryptic. In the past all these guys have had no problems screaming from the roof top the money they making. All this BS well he is making a lot of money we just can't tell you how much but if we did nobody would criticize him. Load of horse shyt because if that were true then releasing that info would kill all the criticism he taking for passing on large deals. Showtime is NOT paying him 20M(DAZN offer) for a fight that isn't even on PPV especially with no long term contract for future fights. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain ******ed.

And Wilder isn't loyal to Showtime he is loyal to Haymon. Hell he's already fought many times outside of Showtime. If he was "loyal" to Showtime he wouldn't of fought on FOX (Twice), NBC, CBS ect . He went a 2 year stretch where he stopped fighting on Showtime had just one fight on Showtime during that stretch and whatever other network Haymon told him to for the rest. That's like a man saying his girlfriend is loyal to him meanwhile she has been caught cheating on him 4 times already. LMAO

SHO/FOX/CBS all under the same umbrella!

[KTFOKING]

Boxing writers and leaked numbers? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about finance, Forbes magazine and the Wall Street Journal. There is always a bottom line and someone has access to it. In fact, someone printed it out on an accounting form.

Finally, and I have to go for the day, but why wouldn't Showtime release the numbers to Forbes and the WSJ for publicity? You know what? They did.

Where do you think Forbes in this case and WSJ got the numbers from? They took them from the reported numbers from the boxing writers. When WSJ wrote an article of the PBC deal with FOX, they reported the numbers Coppinger did in his article.

And LIS, neither SHO nor HBO will release the numbers unless they do great. Because what happens when the PPV tanks? They would have to release those numbers as well.

Either way, we can leave it at this. Just telling you, any number US writers report/release, are strictly US PPV buys and not worldwide numbers.

Have a nice day (Mankind voice).