Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: If No Joshua or Wilder - Bring Me Tyson Fury!

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Fury doesn't have the balls to stand in the same ring as Luis Ortiz. King Kong will systematically break him down both physically and mentally.

Ortiz is not just a huge puncher but he is also a scientific, technical and fundamentally sound boxer too. Fury does one thing well and that's move but Ortiz will find him.

Moreover, Tyson can't punch or take a punch for shit. If an in shape, well conditioned Luis Ortiz were to drop those hammers on Fury like he did Christian, he would drop him to the canvas for a total of six times.

Fury is far too good to lose to a 50yr old man with asthma.

Just because Ortiz made a fool out of BumSquad doesn't mean he'll do the same to Tyson.

Fury is a far superior fighter to Wilder, it is what it is.

[champion4ever]

With all this attributes, he still got KTFO when his conditioning /cardio failed him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Fury KO in the championship rounds.

Which is very true because unlike Tyson Fury; As in the words of Mike Tyson: "Deontay Wilder punches like fucking mule kick".

He wasn't stopped due to a lack of cardio conditioning. He was stopped because Wilder can hit. Ortiz was winning that ninth round where he was caught and the fresher of the two men also until he was with countered with that right hand Deontay landed off the ropes.

Moreover, it was more of an accumulation from "The Bronze Bomber that eventually wore King Kong down. Wilder bounced so many right hands on top of Ortiz' head that I thought he was going to break his hand at some point; As Ortiz seemed able to just walk right through them.

As for Tyson KO Ortiz late in the fight. I just don't see it because Fury would be spending too much time climbing off the canvas from all the knockdowns he will be sustaining in the fight.

[dan_cov]

Ortiz is best when guys take the fight to him. He's decent going to forward but its not his M.O its the weakest part of his game and why he was always a second\third rate amateur (No shame in that).

Fury undoubtedly will stick and move and frustrate him to exhaustion.

If you think Ortiz looks old now wait until you see how old Fury makes him look.

Too fast, too slick.

[champion4ever]

Fury is far too good to lose to a 50yr old man with asthma.

Just because Ortiz made a fool out of BumSquad doesn't mean he'll do the same to Tyson.

Fury is a far superior fighter to Wilder, it is what it is.

Ok keep believing that then. Let's just see does Tyson Fury has the intestinal fortitude to sign the fight?

[Laligalaliga]

Which is very true because unlike Tyson Fury; As in the words of Mike Tyson: "Deontay Wilder punches like fucking mule kick".

He wasn't stopped due to a lack of cardio conditioning. He was stopped because Wilder can hit. Ortiz was winning that ninth round where he was caught and the fresher of the two men also until he was with countered with that right hand Deontay landed off the ropes.

Moreover, it was more of an accumulation from "The Bronze Bomber that eventually wore King Kong down. Wilder bounced so many right hands on top of Ortiz' head that I thought he was going to break his hand at some point; As Ortiz seemed able to just walk right through them.

As for Tyson KO Ortiz late in the fight. I just don't see it because Fury would be spending too much time climbing off the canvas from all the knockdowns he will be sustaining in the fight.

This is as simple as it can be. If Ortiz team can come out with 15/20mil offer to fury, am pretty sure the fight will happen sooner than later.
Money talks, money run the industry, bring the money and you have the fight.
Ortiz definitely has a team, they can make it happen.

[champion4ever]

Wilder's boys plan to disgrace Ortiz out of boxing when he gets flattened again.
He will not add any value to whyte financially or ranking wise as whyte is higher than him on rankings.
I would have suggested whyte give him like 300k to send him out of the ring for good to be heard no more.
These wilder boys are absolute lunatics and they are going to be disgraced out of this forum.

When has he ever been flattened? I get it by the "Bronze Bomber".

No one wants any smoke with Luis Ortiz because he has no leverage, cards or chips at the bargaining table. If he was more popular and a cash cow like Anthony Joshua; Then his phone would be ringing off the hook.

Which is understandable because King Kong is a tough outing. He is too high risk and low reward; Which means he has nothing that other fighters want or need like a title, championship or $Millions of dollars.

Which makes Deontay Wilder's challenge and victory over him all that special. One can say what they will about Deontay Wilder but the man is great. He takes on risks and challenges that no other fighters take on.

[champion4ever]

This is as simple as it can be. If Ortiz team can come out with 15/20mil offer to fury, am pretty sure the fight will happen sooner than later.
Money talks, money run the industry, bring the money and you have the fight.
Ortiz definitely has a team, they can make it happen.

Mate, you are one weird fella. Where the Hell do you think that Team Ortiz could secure a line of 15/20 mil from? Ortiz is not a box office draw, he doesn't pack any meat in the seats or does he set Pay Per View records.

It's just like I said. Fury don't won't no smoke from Ortiz because if so then otherwise, he wouldn't be pricing himself out. Wilder fought fought Ortiz for just under $2.1mil. He paid a huge sacrifice in order to fight him because it was the fight that us boxing fans wanted to see.

That's why Deontay Wilder is "The People's Champion" who fights for legacy and not for money. It's also the reason why I say he's a Hell of a champion and a Hell of a man.

[SeGoodland]

Mate, you are one weird fella. Where the Hell do you think that Team Ortiz could secure a line of 15/20 mil from? Ortiz is not a box office draw, he doesn't pack any meat in the seats or does he set Pay Per View records.

It's just like I said. Fury don't won't no smoke from Ortiz because if so then otherwise, he wouldn't be pricing himself out. Wilder fought fought Ortiz for just under $2.1mil. He paid a huge sacrifice in order to fight him because it was the fight that us boxing fans wanted to see.

That's why Deontay Wilder is "The People's Champion" who fights for legacy and not for money. It's also the reason why I say he's a Hell of a champion and a Hell of a man.

I've just read all of this thread and its clear that you really rate Ortiz, fair enough. We get it.

All I will say is, Wilder winning against Ortiz wasn't 'special' as you called it. Fury beating Klitschko was special and that's the last time there has been a 'special' fight.

Deontay Wilder is not the people's champion. Never has been. In the UK, AJ is the people's champion because everyday people know who he is.

My wife has family from Arkansas, they were over in the UK, this past week and I spoke to the fellas about the state of Heavyweight boxing. None of them had heard of Deontay Wilder but they know who Anthony Joshua is! That says a lot and those guys live and breathe sport.

The bottom line is, Ortiz is a top 10, maybe top 5 fighter (IMO) but without any belts or the cash to make top fights, he will likely fade into retirement.

[Jax teller]

Mate, you are one weird fella. Where the Hell do you think that Team Ortiz could secure a line of 15/20 mil from? Ortiz is not a box office draw, he doesn't pack any meat in the seats or does he set Pay Per View records.

It's just like I said. Fury don't won't no smoke from Ortiz because if so then otherwise, he wouldn't be pricing himself out. Wilder fought fought Ortiz for just under $2.1mil. He paid a huge sacrifice in order to fight him because it was the fight that us boxing fans wanted to see.

That's why Deontay Wilder is "The People's Champion" who fights for legacy and not for money. It's also the reason why I say he's a Hell of a champion and a Hell of a man.

Sacrifice? Wasn't that his biggest pay day at the time?

The only sacrifice he took was not taking the 5 mil to fight Whyte, he's scared of someone who'd bring the fight to him so he fought the plodding counter puncher. You can't even say he'd lay Whyte out in the first half because he can't even that with guys the level or two below Whyte.

Doesn't fight for money but any less than 50% is not enough to fight AJ and didn't give Fury an equal split despite using his lineal title to sell their fight.

Wilder - "The People's Chump"

[R_Walken]

Fury wouldn’t take the fight

He already gave a interview before his sabbatical admitting that Ortiz is a dangerous opponent for anyone and brings no fans or $ and is easy to swerve without public backlash

Nothings changed since he gave the interview.