Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: If No Joshua or Wilder - Bring Me Tyson Fury!

[champion4ever]

Not that I am trying to offend you or split hairs but it seems that I would never be able to convince you to look at this situation differently. That is the only consistent thing with Pro-Wilder posters, from what I can see since being on this forum.

Wilder accepted $15m, Joshua accepted $50m yet you see Joshua situation as something entirely different, whereas I see them as the same thing yet Wilder fans will dismiss this!

Wilder fought Ortiz and Fury, Joshua hasn't therefore we will overlook the previous 38 fighters and forget that Joshua has beaten more top rated fighters in Wilder division in half the fights yet Wilder fans dismiss this.

I mean, Joshua and Fury haven't fought yet because Fury spent 2 odd years out and has only really fought Wilder...so that's because Joshua and Fury haven't really had the chance to fight! Joshua has stated for a while now that he wants Wilder or Fury.

There are too many Anti-Joshua hypocritical and short term memory posts on this forum. That's not aimed specifically at you, more the broader population of Wilder fans.

There's absolutely no question or doubt in my mind that Joshua wants the Wilder fight now. That's a given.

However, at the same time he and Matchroom Sport must step up and take accountability for why the last round of negotiations fell through and so far they and along with their British fans have been very reluctant in doing so; By making excuses and deflecting blame when they were the A side.

There's been only a handful of British based boxers and experts like Carl Froch, Lennox Lewis, Joseph Parker, Naseem Hamed and even Tyson Fury and Frank Warren who are willing to tell the truth.

Had Joshua and Matchroom been honest from the start by saying they we are not ready for this fight right now and we need more time to develop and get more experience and seasoning under their belts then that would have been understandable; All would have been well.

There wouldn't have been no grudges or hurt feelings nothing. Wilder would just moved on with his career; Similarly to what he is doing now.

However, Hearn repeatedly lied and deceived the public by pulling a bait and switch on all of us; Especially the British boxing fans.

That's why were are in the mess we are in today thanks to Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Sport. However, I don't ever expect English fans to ever admit this though.

[Biolink]

Quote me Fury will not fight a live body until 1year.

He'll have to fight somebody. I think they'll give him 1 showcase level gimme, but they probably aren't gonna let him coast on that deal fighting all bums. His style doesn't mesh with most American boxing fans. The fans or the network won't let him coast fighting bums the whole time.

[SeGoodland]

There's absolutely no question or doubt in my mind that Joshua wants the Wilder fight now. That's a given.

However, at the same time he and Matchroom Sport must step up and take accountability for why the last round of negotiations fell through and so far they and along with their British fans have been very reluctant in doing so; By making excuses and deflecting blame when they were the A side.

There's been only a handful of British based boxers and experts like Carl Froch, Lennox Lewis, Joseph Parker, Naseem Hamed and even Tyson Fury and Frank Warren who are willing to tell the truth.

Had Joshua and Matchroom been honest from the start by saying they we are not ready for this fight right now and we need more time to develop and get more experience and seasoning under their belts then that would have been understandable; All would have been well.

There wouldn't have been no grudges or hurt feelings nothing. Wilder would just moved on with his career; Similarly to what he is doing now.

However, Hearn repeatedly lied and deceived the public by pulling a bait and switch on all of us; Especially the British boxing fans.

That's why were are in the mess we are in today thanks to Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Sport. However, I don't ever expect English fans to ever admit this though.

But this is exactly my point! It is responses like these that just blow my mind! There are is so much finger pointing at Hearn and Joshua and things such as this 'they should step up and take accountability'.

Why is there no blame being passed to Wilder, Finkel and Haymon!? Wilder accepted the $15m before the $50m offer ever came into existence.

Frank Warren and Tyson Fury are willing to tell the truth!? After the stunt they just pulled with ESPN!?

No disrespect but I'm sick and tired of presenting fact only to get opinions back.

[champion4ever]

But this is exactly my point! It is responses like these that just blow my mind! There are is so much finger pointing at Hearn and Joshua and things such as this 'they should step up and take accountability'.

Why is there no blame being passed to Wilder, Finkel and Haymon!? Wilder accepted the $15m before the $50m offer ever came into existence.

Frank Warren and Tyson Fury are willing to tell the truth!? After the stunt they just pulled with ESPN!?

No disrespect but I'm sick and tired of presenting fact only to get opinions back.

The initial offer was for a $12.5mil flat-fee with no rematch clause and percentage in the U.K. Then Anthony Joshua said show me $50 mil and I will sign the fight tomorrow.

Well Wilder did just that. He offered him the $50mil offer but Joshua to much to Wilder's and his fans chagrin turned around and subsequently spurned the offer because he said he wanted to fight in the U.K.

Then Team Joshua counter offered by upping their original offer to a $15mil flat-fee with no guarantee, rematch clause in the U.K with no percentage.

Wilder agreed to those terms and conditions and was ready to accept the counter offer but then Eddie Hearn ended the negotiations by choosing to fight Povetkin instead.

Now what say you? Tell me where I am wrong?

[Laligalaliga]

My good Englishman, I have to respectfully disagree with you. No, the "People's Champion" makes sacrifices of himself for the fans like Deontay Wilder does by taking short money, risking his health, legacy, undefeated record, career and future for us fans by giving us the fights that want to see.

No other boxer or champion can say they do that. Hell not even Anthony Joshua who fights solely for himself and money can say he does that; Only Deontay Wilder can.

Wilder just so happened to take on the most feared, risky and dangerous opponent in the heavyweight division who no one wanted to fight. That took a tremendous amount of sheer will and courage.

Remember when AJ told you guys last Summer, with the launching of DAZN platform announcement in America that; "If ya'll wanted a Deontay Wilder fight then maybe y'all should train and become boxers yourselves and fight him. Does that sounds like something a People's champion would say?

can you stop selling fake information to the casuals? Wilder never fought Ortiz for short money, infant he fought Ortiz on his record career high paydays before the Fury fight.
.why feel so comfortable lying to the casuals?

[Laligalaliga]

I get the Ortiz comment because that’s they way the sports works . Very few fighters go chasing the High Risk / Low Payday that a fighter like Ortiz presents. Wilder chasing down Ortiz and Canelo fighting Lara are really the 2 most recent that come mind of fighters that didn’t have to take those risks but did

I haven’t seen the Wikder needs to build comment but that’s a f.ucking joke and just further proof Fury doesn’t /didn’t want the rematch. Wilder is probably the most popular Active American Boxer right now not saying he’s a cross over Superstar. That excuse is just that a excuse that doesn’t hold any weight

But I guess it’s easier to just make up sh.it then admit that the 12th round KD took away his confidence and part of his soul , left him so shook he gladly gave up any chance of taking part in 2 potential Legacy fights and if he beat Wilder a fight for all the marbles at HW then risk taking the rematch and getting the rest of that soul took if Wikder lands another Widow maker on him

Wilder fought 38 club bouncers, took one decent fight and all of a sudden hez the one taking the risky fights.
If he has been taking risky fights, he would have been a unified champ but rather he has never been in any unification match..
I can see the kind of risks hez been taking.

[champion4ever]

can you stop selling fake information to the casuals? Wilder never fought Ortiz for short money, infant he fought Ortiz on his record career high paydays before the Fury fight.
.why feel so comfortable lying to the casuals?

Dude, you just said that it would take between $15/20mil in order to get a top contender or titleholder in the ring with Luis Ortiz but it only took Deontay Wilder just $2mil to get in the ring with him. So you do the math? If that's not taking shorts tennI don't what taking shorts are. Besides why didn't Deontay Wilder hold out for $15/20mil to fight King Kong then? It wasn't a voluntary defense. He was not under legal obligation to challenge him.

[Laligalaliga]

Of course, Luis Ortiz is not a cash cow and he may never will. His handlers can't come up and secure him with a $15/20mil line of credit to get the fights he wants.

It's because he isn't marketable enough and is largely ignored and unknown by casual fans. So who or what investors would risk putting tens of millions of dollars into his fights when they already know that they won't sell?

this is boxing business not charity venture. you already know why he's not getting big fights except he is willing to take a lower pay to make up for his inability to bring nothing to the table.

It's nobody's fault that his team is unable to market him well, after all canelo doesn't speak English and is based in US and he's still getting the fights and the cash.

The nobody wants to fight Ortiz is a BS that nobody is buying into anymore. Wilder boys can look for another excuse, this one is outdated.

[Laligalaliga]

That lie has already been debunked because Wilder had indeed, requested and offered an undisputed heavyweight championship bout to Wladimir Klitschko but was turned down. It was because Wladimir said Deontay had to step up his level of opposition first.

You are forgetting that Wilder is his own man; Who is a born rebel, loner, staunchly independent and stubborn who doesn't give damn about nothing or whatever any ones says or care about him. You are quoting Finkel who is the agent that works for Deontay and not the two principles themselves.







Once again, that is another untruth, Wilder did agreed to all of the terms and conditions set forth by Anthony Joshua on their revised counter offer; Including taking the $15mil flat fee, fighting on foreign soil, with no percentage, agreeing to the venue, ring size, judges and ring walk ins.

However, when Team Wilder exercised their due diligence they noticed several key logistical aspects missing from the contact like the date and named opponent. Then when Team Wilder requested for Hearn to fill in those details he rescinded the deal by fighting Povetkin instead which tells any right thinking, sensible and reasonable individual that Joshua and Hearn were never serious about making Wilder fight in the first place.



It's so obvious that the conditions aren't right. Wilder wants a 50/50 purse split all the way around or there will be no fight.

As I've said before, Wilder feels betrayed and doesn't trust Eddie Hearn or Anthony Joshua. Therefore, if both are really honest, sincere and serious about making this fight happening then they must be willing to bend and to bend some more in order to gain Deontay Wilder's trust again.

The thing about Deontay is that he won't settle or compromise for anything short of what he wants or feels is right.





It's because almost all of those fighters; At least most of them are based in Europe. Also, for the exception of Dillian Whyte all of those names on that resume are cherrypicks. Deontay Wilder mops up the floor with that resume. The reason why Joshua got that IBF title because Eddie Hearn purchased it for $7mil; An offer that obviously Team Wilder could not match on a Showtime budget. Moreover, as far as Joseph Parker goes they were in negotiations for a unification bout but Team Parker pulled out after witnessing the Gerald Washington bout at ringside.



Before I answer that question. My question to you is what took him so long? Sometimes in this world you are going to have to beg and wait for what you want. When Wilder was all prepared to board a flight to the U.K. Anthony Joshua canceled the fight in order to fight Povetkin instead. He did a bait and switch move. Which was wrong. If he wants a Wilder fight, then it must be done strictly on Wilder's terms and conditions now.


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No it was Tyson Fury who reached out to Deontay Wilder for a challenge of his WBC heavyweight title and not the other way around. When he found Fury he was a forgotten man to the British public and higher than a junkie on a $100 coke habit. Fury got down on his hands and knees and begged Wilder for a voluntary and charitable defense of his title which Deontay granted. Wilder did not Fury. Fury needed Wilder. That's how he was able to get that ESPN deal by building his brand, name and profile in the states off Deontay Wilder's fame.

It would be true about Joshua but he doesn't take enough risks. For example since winning those titles from Klitschko he has done absolute shit in the Heavyweight division.

The man who has been making the most noise among the Heavyweights have been Deontay Wilder with two back to back undefeated and risky opponents who no one wanted to fight in Ortiz and Fury and probably a rematch with Fury while Joshua fights a tomato can named Jarrell Miller in America.[/QUOTE]


Lolx.... you write so much bullocks here based on your assumptions.
One decent fight in 40, suddenly hez the risk taker and want 50/50.

Eddie should just allow this nigqa go to hell. Someone else will bring the green belt sooner than later.

[R_Walken]

Wilder fought 38 club bouncers, took one decent fight and all of a sudden hez the one taking the risky fights.
If he has been taking risky fights, he would have been a unified champ but rather he has never been in any unification match..
I can see the kind of risks hez been taking.

I don’t know why you keep bringing up that Wikder hasn’t unified. I don’t know how many times I need to say it. AJ got to unify because he brings in the $ so anyone with a strap would fight AJ over Wilder because they’d be making much more

You think Charles Martins a risk ? You think Wikder wouldnt have smashed him . Parker hasn’t had a decent performance since before he won his strap.
Klit was coming off a L and a year and half out yet it was for a strap.

If the roles were reveresed and Wikder was from the Uk it be Him with 3 straps

The fact you can’t acknowledge why AJ has his straps means you either don’t know how the sport works, pretending to be ignorant or just plain dumb

Take your pick