Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: If No Joshua or Wilder - Bring Me Tyson Fury!

[Laligalaliga]

When has he ever been flattened? I get it by the "Bronze Bomber".

No one wants any smoke with Luis Ortiz because he has no leverage, cards or chips at the bargaining table. If he was more popular and a cash cow like Anthony Joshua; Then his phone would be ringing off the hook.

Which is understandable because King Kong is a tough outing. He is too high risk and low reward; Which means he has nothing that other fighters want or need like a title, championship or $Millions of dollars.

Which makes Deontay Wilder's challenge and victory over him all that special. One can say what they will about Deontay Wilder but the man is great. He takes on risks and challenges that no other fighters take on.

You have said it all, unfortunately hez not close to a cash cow.
No one give a fvvk if hez a hall of fame, provided fighting you is financially viable, you will keep getting fights after fights.

[Laligalaliga]

Mate, you are one weird fella. Where the Hell do you think that Team Ortiz could secure a line of 15/20 mil from? Ortiz is not a box office draw, he doesn't pack any meat in the seats or does he set Pay Per View records.

It's just like I said. Fury don't won't no smoke from Ortiz because if so then otherwise, he wouldn't be pricing himself out. Wilder fought fought Ortiz for just under $2.1mil. He paid a huge sacrifice in order to fight him because it was the fight that us boxing fans wanted to see.

That's why Deontay Wilder is "The People's Champion" who fights for legacy and not for money. It's also the reason why I say he's a Hell of a champion and a Hell of a man.

Stop saying jagons bruh. 2.1mil was a record career pay for wilder prior to Fury's fight. He needed the pay day to fight Ortiz would stop trying to sell false information.

Another viable option is if Ortiz will be satisfied with 200/300k to make the fight, I believe the fight will happen as well.

[JWHardin]

Fury wouldn’t take the fight

He already gave a interview before his sabbatical admitting that Ortiz is a dangerous opponent for anyone and brings no fans or $ and is easy to swerve without public backlash

Nothings changed since he gave the interview.

In a more recent interview, Fury was scrambling to come up with a legit answer of why the Wilder rematch wasn't happening. He stated that Wilder needs to get a bit better well known in the U.S., and said he may give the 40 yr old Seferi a rematch, because he is a nice guy. Fury will be ridiculed and be a laughing stock if he does that.

[champion4ever]

I've just read all of this thread and its clear that you really rate Ortiz, fair enough. We get it.

All I will say is, Wilder winning against Ortiz wasn't 'special' as you called it. Fury beating Klitschko was special and that's the last time there has been a 'special' fight.

Deontay Wilder is not the people's champion. Never has been. In the UK, AJ is the people's champion because everyday people know who he is.

My wife has family from Arkansas, they were over in the UK, this past week and I spoke to the fellas about the state of Heavyweight boxing. None of them had heard of Deontay Wilder but they know who Anthony Joshua is! That says a lot and those guys live and breathe sport.

The bottom line is, Ortiz is a top 10, maybe top 5 fighter (IMO) but without any belts or the cash to make top fights, he will likely fade into retirement.

My good Englishman, I have to respectfully disagree with you. No, the "People's Champion" makes sacrifices of himself for the fans like Deontay Wilder does by taking short money, risking his health, legacy, undefeated record, career and future for us fans by giving us the fights that want to see.

No other boxer or champion can say they do that. Hell not even Anthony Joshua who fights solely for himself and money can say he does that; Only Deontay Wilder can.

Wilder just so happened to take on the most feared, risky and dangerous opponent in the heavyweight division who no one wanted to fight. That took a tremendous amount of sheer will and courage.

Remember when AJ told you guys last Summer, with the launching of DAZN platform announcement in America that; "If ya'll wanted a Deontay Wilder fight then maybe y'all should train and become boxers yourselves and fight him. Does that sounds like something a People's champion would say?

[R_Walken]

In a more recent interview, Fury was scrambling to come up with a legit answer of why the Wilder rematch wasn't happening. He stated that Wilder needs to get a bit better well known in the U.S., and said he may give the 40 yr old Seferi a rematch, because he is a nice guy. Fury will be ridiculed and be a laughing stock if he does that.

I get the Ortiz comment because that’s they way the sports works . Very few fighters go chasing the High Risk / Low Payday that a fighter like Ortiz presents. Wilder chasing down Ortiz and Canelo fighting Lara are really the 2 most recent that come mind of fighters that didn’t have to take those risks but did

I haven’t seen the Wikder needs to build comment but that’s a f.ucking joke and just further proof Fury doesn’t /didn’t want the rematch. Wilder is probably the most popular Active American Boxer right now not saying he’s a cross over Superstar. That excuse is just that a excuse that doesn’t hold any weight

But I guess it’s easier to just make up sh.it then admit that the 12th round KD took away his confidence and part of his soul , left him so shook he gladly gave up any chance of taking part in 2 potential Legacy fights and if he beat Wilder a fight for all the marbles at HW then risk taking the rematch and getting the rest of that soul took if Wikder lands another Widow maker on him

[SeGoodland]

My good Englishman, I have to respectfully disagree with you. No, the "People's Champion" makes sacrifices of himself for the fans like Deontay Wilder does by taking short money, risking his health, legacy, undefeated record, career and future for us fans by giving us the fights that want to see.

No other boxer or champion can say they do that. Hell not even Anthony Joshua who fights solely for himself and money can say he does that; Only Deontay Wilder can.

Wilder just so happened to take on the most feared, risky and dangerous opponent in the heavyweight division who no one wanted to fight. That took a tremendous amount of sheer will and courage.

Remember when AJ told you guys last Summer, with the launching of DAZN platform announcement in America that; "If ya'll wanted a Deontay Wilder fight then maybe y'all should train and become boxers yourselves and fight him. Does that sounds like something a People's champion would say?

Ok, let me throw a few questions back at you which may or may not dissuade you from your opinion.

1. If Deontay Wilder is all about legacy and not about money and is happy to put his undefeated record on the line: -
a. Why didn't he insist on fighting Klitschko when Finkel said he isn't ready?
b. Why did Wilder accept the $15m flat fee from Hearn and then not sign the contract to fight Joshua to become undisputed HW champion?
c. Why is Finkel now saying that Wilder will only fight Joshua when the conditions are right i.e. Wilder gets a bigger piece of the pie?

2. If Joshua hasn't been putting his '0' on the line, why has he been fighting top 10 opponents for a longer time and from an earlier time in his career? More than Wilder and Fury. Remember, Wilder has only fought Ortiz and Fury from the WBC rankings, the division where HE is the Champion. Joshua has fought Whyte, Breazeale, Parker, Povetkin, Martin and Takam. 6 opponents, all who are rated in the top 15 by the WBC right now.

3. If Joshua isn't about legacy, why is it that he is the only one of the two fighters 'begging' for the fight to happen? A 60/40 offer and a two way rematch clause with the second fight being in America is more than fair for Wilder. It goes back to Finkel saying conditions need to be right...that's a money grab NOT about making a legacy.

4. I think there are a lot of people who would have fought Fury in the condition he was when the Wilder/Fury fight was made. If Joshua was then and still is now, the #1 rated HW, surely that makes him the most dangerous, feared, risky fight? Opinion only makes that different.

[SeGoodland]

Lastly, your argument comparing Tyson vs Klitschko with Wilder vs Ortiz argument is a strawman's argument. In this instance, it's being used a diversionary tactic.

When Fury defeated Klitschko; He already been exposed and had over four losses and knockouts on his record. Moreover, Fury was already showing signs of aging, decline and slippage. That's why he lost his subsequent title bout to Joshua 17 months later.

In addition, Klitschko had popped dirty for doping, juicing and PED use.

1. How was Wilder v Ortiz 'special'?
2. Are you saying that Fury v Klitschko wasn't?
3. When did Wladimir Klitschko get busted for PED abuse?
4. I think you mean Klitschko lost to Joshua, not Fury.

[champion4ever]

Sacrifice? Wasn't that his biggest pay day at the time?

The only sacrifice he took was not taking the 5 mil to fight Whyte, he's scared of someone who'd bring the fight to him so he fought the plodding counter puncher. You can't even say he'd lay Whyte out in the first half because he can't even that with guys the level or two below Whyte.

Doesn't fight for money but any less than 50% is not enough to fight AJ and didn't give Fury an equal split despite using his lineal title to sell their fight.

Wilder - "The People's Chump"

Then what about Anthony Joshua? He hasn't done Jack shit in the Heavyweight division since defeating Wladimir Klitschko back in April 2017; When he was already showing signs of aging, decline and slippage.

I'll tell what he had been up to and doing since then; Avoiding Deontay Wilder by fighting in Great Britain. That's right.

For the calendar years of 2017, 2018 and 2019 he has been busy ducking Wilder because he's afraid. It's because he knows deep down, he cannot defeat Wilder and inevitably is going to get his asswhooped and knockout

Anthony Joshua reminds me a lot of Floyd patterson when he was ducking Sonny Liston back in the 1960s

[champion4ever]

You have said it all, unfortunately hez not close to a cash cow.
No one give a fvvk if hez a hall of fame, provided fighting you is financially viable, you will keep getting fights after fights.

Of course, Luis Ortiz is not a cash cow and he may never will. His handlers can't come up and secure him with a $15/20mil line of credit to get the fights he wants.

It's because he isn't marketable enough and is largely ignored and unknown by casual fans. So who or what investors would risk putting tens of millions of dollars into his fights when they already know that they won't sell?

[champion4ever]

Another viable option is if Ortiz will be satisfied with 200/300k to make the fight, I believe the fight will happen as well.

Well we'll just have to wait and see but I seriously doubt that fight would see the light of day. Fury is already title less and with another loss he can become irrelevant and obscure.

However, I have no doubt in my mind that Luis Ortiz would challenge Fury in a heartbeat. Just give him the contract and he will sign it.

Moreover, watch how he comes in the best physical shape and conditioning of his career; Just like he did against Deontay Wilder before everyone in England had written off and said he washed up.