GGG resume

[Curtis Harper]

What top contender avoided GGG and are there any links to prove it ?

[Citizen Koba]

What top contender avoided GGG and are there any links to prove it ?

Fewer than many would have it - unless you fault guys for just picking bigger and more lucrative fights which is absurd in my book.

3 guys actually chose not to fight him despite there being no particularly good reason to do so that I can tell.

Sturm avoided him as a mando - seems likely he even bribed the WBA to get out of it.

N'Dam chose not to fight him in 2012 for the WBA Super interim, foregoing purse bid.

Barker elected not to fight him even though Golovkin's only demand was a few ringside tickets - and no purse.

A few other fights didn't happen due to circumstances beyond control

Pirog injured his back whilst training to face Golovkin in his US debut.

Lee fight fell through when Golovkin's father died.

Froch retired.

Chavez Jr elected to leave Arum and pursue a career under Haymon whilst negotiations were underway.

Then there's the big 3 who simply chose to fight each other because they were more lucrative and higher prestige fights;

Maravilla fought Cotto (and he was too old anyway)

Cotto fought Canelo (and he was too small anyway)

Canelo did eventually fight, and ultimately get the decision against Golovkin.

So. Not many actually 'avoided' him, but he also wasn't very high on anyone's list of priorities til 2015 or so. Some would claim that you could add Quillin to that list too, but the only period during which that fight might have been relevant was during the period of the HBO /SHO / Haymon network rivalry so there was never any real prospect of it happening, regardless of the wishes of either fighter.

Thing is MW during this period had really no 'top' names and very little interest in the US, so they weren't any stars as such - certainly not as perceived by the US audience - closest would have been Maravilla, Chavez Jr and to a lesser extent Sturm (who had had US exposure when he fought ODLH).

EDIT: And I'll provide any links you want on a case by case basis - bit too much of an ask to dig 'em all out when you probably ain't even interested in most of 'em.

[QueensburyRules]

If you think about it, GGG's resume is really poor. His three best wins are:

1) Jacobs
2) Lemieux
3) Andy Lee

Really shallow for an elite fighter, therefore not worthy to be HOF.

--- P4P Loser moaning about Golovkin...only on boxing forums!!!

[_Rexy_]

What top contender avoided GGG and are there any links to prove it ?

N'Dam and Sturm come to mind (Sturm just avoiding giving a mandatory defense for over 2 years) Also, Geale. Sergio Martinez refused to fight G' fighting Macklin instead.

Froch and Saunders outright admitted to not wanting to fight G' also. I remember seeing a poster on here (Seven) posted a huge thread with all the people ducking G' with links and everything. I'll see if I can find it.


Pirog did NOT duck Golovkin though. They were signed to fight and Pirog destroyed his back in camp and had to retire. I was REALLY looking forward to that fight.


EDIT - https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...3#post18808083

there's the link. agree or disagree, He put in his research.

[_Rexy_]

Cotto fought Canelo (and he was too small anyway)

I hate this argument, and I am a HUGE Cotto fan. Middleweight is 155-160. If you're too small to fight a middleweight, then you shouldn't be fighting for the title.

I'm just glad the "catchweight era" seems to be coming to an end.

[Citizen Koba]

I hate this argument, and I am a HUGE Cotto fan. Middleweight is 155-160. If you're too small to fight a middleweight, then you shouldn't be fighting for the title.

I'm just glad the "catchweight era" seems to be coming to an end.

Well I agree. The way the MW title was passed on was simply absurd - Canelo actually became MW Lineal Champion without ever having fought either at the full MW limit or anyone who had fought at the MW limit.

Nonetheless if Cotto had fought Golovkin I would have said he was simply too small - damn, Cotto was even undersized at 154 in my book... Certainly detractors would have said that it wasn't that impressive a victory and I would have been forced, in good conscience, to agree.

[_Rexy_]

Well I agree. The way the MW title was passed on was simply absurd - Canelo actually became MW Lineal Champion without ever having fought either at the full MW limit or anyone who had fought at the MW limit.

Nonetheless if Cotto had fought Golovkin I would have said he was simply too small - damn, Cotto was even undersized at 154 in my book... Certainly detractors would have said that it wasn't that impressive a victory and I would have been forced, in good conscience, to agree.

yeah, it would have been a rough fight to watch...but again, he shouldn't have fought Martinez for the belt to begin with, or he should have dropped it if he couldn't make 160.

And the Canelo thing was awful. Lineal MW champion who had never fought at 160, never fought anyone 160 and refused to fight at 160. And everyone justifying it because "he just a blown up welterweight doe"

[Citizen Koba]

yeah, it would have been a rough fight to watch...but again, he shouldn't have fought Martinez for the belt to begin with, or he should have dropped it if he couldn't make 160.

And the Canelo thing was awful. Lineal MW champion who had never fought at 160, never fought anyone 160 and refused to fight at 160. And everyone justifying it because "he just a blown up welterweight doe"

That **** had been the WBCs plan from as early as 2013 (before GGG even became relevent)... good money for the fighters (including Maravilla) good money for the WBC and the obvious eventual aim given the relative ages of Cotto, Maravilla and Canelo of seeing a new Mexican superstar crowned at MW. Cotto gets his shot a glory in another division, Sergio gets the payday he never got earlier in his career... everyone's a winner.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_...-alvarez-fight

"The World Boxing Council worked tirelessly through a process that began over two years ago to secure the celebration of the highly anticipated fight between Miguel Cotto and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez.

(my emphasis)

There's a better article from 2013 which I can't find right now when they actually outline the plans for the trio to fight.

[DreamFighter]

If only GGG had lost 6 times and been knocked out twice then maybe his resume could be almost as good as Cotto's resume.

what you mean fighting the two fighters of the century may and pac plus canelo who already beat him plus elite margo?


mate dont write things that destroy your case - write something supportive of GGG if you are really a GGG fan.

This should have been your argument -"what should GGG lose on points to Trout like cotto, then his resume would be as good as cottos"..
although that doesnt much better.

[DreamFighter]

yes ggg resume is really poor and sad

its not, its world class since 2014 onward when he was a titlist/champ.