GGG resume

[Chrismart]

The Andy Lee win was the best.

[DreamFighter]

agreed, Andy Lee win was best. I didnt even see the KO punch!

[DreamFighter]

What top contender avoided GGG and are there any links to prove it ?

andy lee didnt, theres a start.

but he was robbed.

[siablo14]

Damn. You must give away A's like a rich girl on NYE.

Gennady - literally - had a handful of B wins and then an entire resume of C's and D's. Proska and Rosado are C level fighters and have never been better than that at any point in their career.

Speaking of Gennadys best win...over Jacobs... it could legitimately be contended Gennady LOST that fight even with a K/D.

To help you (MMA or illiterate ESPN boxing fan) understand rankings heres a freebie. Canelo isnt even an A fighter. Hes B+, but he's definitively better than Gennady. Canelo lost to Floyd (A level fighter) and it could be argued Canelo lost to Lara and Gennady in their first fight. So Canelos ceiling could maybe reach A-, but he currently sits around B+ as he is highly ineffective against moving fighters.

Gennady is a B guy. He has - historically - one of the worst boxing resumes in recent memory...its historically bad and it's bad because of HIS CHOICES. He passed up chances for great legacy fights and either took the money fight or the safe route (i.e., Vanes or Lemieux).

Other relevant boxers:

Loma B/B+
Wilder C+
Thurman B-/B
Usyk B+ (move to A- with some noise at HW)
Crawford B/B+
Spence B- (his lone good fight against a broken and poorly conditioned Kell was 4-4 after 8..Charlo treatment happens when Spence finally starts fighting guys his own size or guys who are full-time boxers)

Who is A+ in your eyes?

[DreamFighter]

Who is A+ in your eyes?

hes a bit low, job everything up by 1/3rd of a mark, so B becomes B+

[Curtis Harper]

Fewer than many would have it - unless you fault guys for just picking bigger and more lucrative fights which is absurd in my book.

3 guys actually chose not to fight him despite there being no particularly good reason to do so that I can tell.

Sturm avoided him as a mando - seems likely he even bribed the WBA to get out of it.

N'Dam chose not to fight him in 2012 for the WBA Super interim, foregoing purse bid.

Barker elected not to fight him even though Golovkin's only demand was a few ringside tickets - and no purse.

A few other fights didn't happen due to circumstances beyond control

Pirog injured his back whilst training to face Golovkin in his US debut.

Lee fight fell through when Golovkin's father died.

Froch retired.

Chavez Jr elected to leave Arum and pursue a career under Haymon whilst negotiations were underway.

Then there's the big 3 who simply chose to fight each other because they were more lucrative and higher prestige fights;

Maravilla fought Cotto (and he was too old anyway)

Cotto fought Canelo (and he was too small anyway)

Canelo did eventually fight, and ultimately get the decision against Golovkin.

So. Not many actually 'avoided' him, but he also wasn't very high on anyone's list of priorities til 2015 or so. Some would claim that you could add Quillin to that list too, but the only period during which that fight might have been relevant was during the period of the HBO /SHO / Haymon network rivalry so there was never any real prospect of it happening, regardless of the wishes of either fighter.

Thing is MW during this period had really no 'top' names and very little interest in the US, so they weren't any stars as such - certainly not as perceived by the US audience - closest would have been Maravilla, Chavez Jr and to a lesser extent Sturm (who had had US exposure when he fought ODLH).

EDIT: And I'll provide any links you want on a case by case basis - bit too much of an ask to dig 'em all out when you probably ain't even interested in most of 'em.

Only been here a short time and already I've seen the term ''avoided'' and ''ducked'' used way too often. I like GGG's style (forward mover) but he is not what his fans make him out to be.

[Curtis Harper]

N'Dam and Sturm come to mind (Sturm just avoiding giving a mandatory defense for over 2 years) Also, Geale. Sergio Martinez refused to fight G' fighting Macklin instead.

Froch and Saunders outright admitted to not wanting to fight G' also. I remember seeing a poster on here (Seven) posted a huge thread with all the people ducking G' with links and everything. I'll see if I can find it.


Pirog did NOT duck Golovkin though. They were signed to fight and Pirog destroyed his back in camp and had to retire. I was REALLY looking forward to that fight.


EDIT - https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...3#post18808083

there's the link. agree or disagree, He put in his research.

Thanks for the info. Some names are pretty much meh (the old, unknown, injured and feather fisted). A younger Sergio and I'm thinking GGG does the ''avoiding''.

[Bjl12]

Who is A+ in your eyes?

Duran, SRR, SRL, Ali. The true elite belong in their own class because they WERE in their own class.

[Citizen Koba]

Only been here a short time and already I've seen the term ''avoided'' and ''ducked'' used way too often. I like GGG's style (forward mover) but he is not what his fans make him out to be.

Horribly overused terms, man, especially on here. The reality is in the main all top fighters will fight whoever's put in front of 'em and the reasons fights don't happen are down to financials and simple calculations of risk and reward... the same way all of us would make important financial decisions (I'd hope). Even in the cases of the 3 fighters who demonstrably refused or declined the Golovkin fight I'm sure if the right financial incentives had been there, the fights would have been made.

In the main I don't use the term 'ducked' at all, but if I do I make the point of only ever using it in relation to an incumbent champion refusing to fight a mandatory (after all when else is any fighter obliged in any way to fight anyone other than who they damn please), but usually even then there's a legitimate reason why they haven't - usually financial.

Golovkin? - very good fighter in my book, certainly one of my favourites of this decade, but you're a bit late to the table now he's already been demonstrated to be more human than some believed. No-one's saying he's unbeatable any more, man, and even when they did you take that ish with a pinch of salt. There's always hyperbole around boxing stars, but his KO streak through the first 7 years of the decade is notable whichever way you cut it, no matter what the level of opposition (and Golovkin's is a long way from being as terrible as some would have it).

Is the dude Superman, or even on the rarefied heights of a Mayweather or a prime RJJ? Nah... but that doesn't mean he ain't a very, very good fighter. Shame so much of his prime was wasted and we never got to see what he might have been capable of.

[T-1000]

Golovkin has beaten Jacobs, Lemieux, Macklin, Murray, Geale and Proksa. All guys were top 5 ranked middleweights according to The Ring at the time they fought GGG.

Brook was #1 or #2 at 147 when he fought GGG.

Let’s not forget he fought Canelo two times and was robbed in the first fight of a career defining win.

His resume is good. Not very good or great but good. If you think his resume is weak, you’re probably ******ed.