GGG resume

[Citizen Koba]

Thanks for the info. Some names are pretty much meh (the old, unknown, injured and feather fisted). A younger Sergio and I'm thinking GGG does the ''avoiding''.

Doubtful... Maravilla was almost too old before he even rose to prominence - like Golovkin one of those guys for whom things didn't come together until he was well into his 30s (35 actually with his win over Pavlik). In 2010 Golovkin had split from Universum and was desperately trying to make a name for himself anywhere (it was at this time he offered Barker - and who knows, maybe others - to fight without payment). Dudes with nothing will fight anyone so I'm sure GGG would have fought Sergio, but it's hard to see what reason Maravilla would have for fighting Golovkin at this time, when GGG was a no-one who couldn't even fight in the US and Sergio had just beat a bona fide US star in Pavlik.

Can't quite see what REXY is talking about above, though, with Maravilla (another one of my absolute faves, incidentally) avoiding Golovkin to fight Macklin when GGG wasn't even cleared to fight in the US til mid 2012 (after the Macklin fight actually took place) whereas Sergio was headlining at MSG.

By 2012 or so when GGG started to rebuild in the US Maravilla was 37 - nearly 38 and finally getting fairly well paid, but by this time he was struggling with guys like Macklin or Murray or Barker - dudes of the calibre that Golovkin was simply dominating and stopping.

EDIT: The old and unknown bit of your comment is telling though -these were all top 10 MWs, champions, former champions and top challengers - I'm guessing the lack of regard by many is that much of the MW action was going on in Europe at the time and those in the US only saw these fighters when they came to the US and got outclassed by divisional elites like GGG or Maravilla. If you'd seen these guys actually winning you might hold a higher opinion. Funny - some of the US fans are among the most erudite and knowledgeable on the global boxing scene yet you got others who've basically never watched a fight that ain't on a US network and think that anything that happens outside of the US or without a US fighter in might as well not have happened at all.

[DreamFighter]

Doubtful... Maravilla was almost too old before he even rose to prominence - like Golovkin one of those guys for whom things didn't come together until he was well into his 30s

they are completely different. GGG was happy to sit on fake titles in his twenties, and his possible final title fight was at age 36. Martinez got his shot at 35.

But you are right about Martinez himself.

Can't quite see what REXY is talking about above, though, with Maravilla (another one of my absolute faves, incidentally) avoiding Golovkin to fight Macklin when GGG wasn't even cleared to fight in the US til mid 2012 (after the Macklin fight actually took place) whereas Sergio was headlining at MSG.

true.

By 2012 or so when GGG started to rebuild in the US Maravilla was 37 - nearly 38 and finally getting fairly well paid, but by this time he was struggling with guys like Macklin or Murray or Barker - dudes of the calibre that Golovkin was simply dominating and stopping.

Golvkin did this AFTER, not whilst. Be accurate, at the time Maravilla was struggling with these, GGG was dominating unknown nobodies.

You cannot claim what didnt happen.

other than that ok.

[Citizen Koba]

they are completely different. GGG was happy to sit on fake titles in his twenties, and his possible final title fight was at age 36. Martinez got his shot at 35.

But you are right about Martinez himself.




true.

Golvkin did this AFTER, not whilst. Be accurate, at the time Maravilla was struggling with these, GGG was dominating unknown nobodies.

You cannot claim what didnt happen.

other than that ok.

Happy to sit on fake titles in his 20s? So why did he leave his promoter acrimoniously and have nearly 3 years of his career derailed? He tried to get the 'real' WBA title in 2009 /2010 when he was mandated to fight Sturm, but Felix point blank refused and the WBA - instead of making Sturm fight him changed their own rules to allow Sturm to be promoted to 'Super' champion amid bribery accusations. Subsequently GGG had to rebuild pretty much from scratch starting at the age of 30 with a nothing promoter and a fake title no-one wanted to his name after 2 years in the wilderness due to legal restrictions. Yet you continue to insist that in fact Golovkin could have had his pick of opponents and yet chose the easy path.

Your revisionism (or possibly ignorance) is just staggering.

I've told you all this ish before and backed it up I'm sure. This groundhog day or something?

And yeah. So this happened in March 2012 (when Sergio was still ranked P4P #3)



And this happened in June 2013:

So, yeah, after... cos before Golovkin couldn't even fight in the US... but in the same sorta time frame. The context of this, in case you missed the point I was responding to, is that there is no actual time frame in which it would make sense to say Golovkin would have avoided Maravilla.

Some of you dudes, man. I go out of my way not to criticise other fighters, not to oversell Golovkin, merely to point out that he ain't had it easy, and it just ain't enough is it? Think I'm nearly done with you, man. You ain't even interested in learning and you sure as hell ain't listening to what I'm saying or, god forbid, doing some actual research of your own to see if there's anything in what I say, just repeating the same old uninformed litany over and over. Waste of my damn time.

[DreamFighter]

Happy to sit on fake titles in his 20s?

so lets just challenge what you wrote in your first sentence.

when was he born - April 1982.

When did he win his first 2nd tier title - 2010. He was 28.

WHat followed - he defended his 2nd tier title 10 times. not 2 and then go win another one more worthy. not 3 times. 10 times. He was happy defending it!

And the math supports that he was happy doing this in his 20s, as I claimed.

YES HE WAS HAPPY DEFENDING IT. Dont BS against a closed case.


Claim what GGG did, not what you wanted him to have done.

[Boxing Goat]

If you think about it, GGG's resume is really poor. His three best wins are:

1) Jacobs
2) Lemieux
3) Andy Lee

Really shallow for an elite fighter, therefore not worthy to be HOF.

You're an idiot. You don't even have his wins right you troll MF so just stfu

[DreamFighter]

Golovkin has beaten Jacobs, Lemieux, Macklin, Murray, Geale and Proksa. All guys were top 5 ranked middleweights according to The Ring at the time they fought GGG.

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not just beat them, he koed them. well not the best one but the rest.

[Citizen Koba]

so lets just challenge what you wrote in your first sentence.

when was he born - April 1982.

When did he win his first 2nd tier title - 2010. He was 28.

WHat followed - he defended his 2nd tier title 10 times. not 2 and then go win another one more worthy. not 3 times. 10 times. He was happy defending it!

And the math supports that he was happy doing this in his 20s, as I claimed.

YES HE WAS HAPPY DEFENDING IT. Dont BS against a closed case.


Claim what GGG did, not what you wanted him to have done.

Ha ha. Well it's becoming increasingly obvious you're just trolling on me, man, but we can play it on a lil further if you like. Ok I done most of the legwork so far but you gonna have to do a little this time.

To say someone is 'happy' with a circumstance rather than just tolerating it because they had no choice you have to be able to demonstrate that there were available options for them other than the ones they took. OK? So looking at the period in question here (say 2010 - 2014 when he was elevated to 'Super' status by the WBA) can you list the fights you can actually demonstrate Golovkin could have made (given his promotional injunction between 2010 and 2012, financial limitations and any other factors) that he failed to make or to even try to make?

I've already given you a few that he definitely did try to make, and a few others that it was simply unrealistic to expect the opponent to accept, but perhaps there's some I missed. You can focus on title fights especially, given that's what you bring up, but bring in other major fights too, if you like.

You give me a list of fights and I'll give you reasons to show why they were at best improbable... how about we do that? Remember, during this period GGG was a nobody, brought no money, a half assed title and couldn't even fight in the US until mid 2012. Off you go.

[DreamFighter]

Ha ha. Well it's becoming increasingly obvious you're just trolling on me, man, but we can play it on a lil further if you like. Ok I done most of the legwork so far but you gonna have to do a little this time.

To say someone is 'happy' with a circumstance rather than just tolerating it because they had no choice

why does he not have a choice?

someone who DOESNT have a title has NO choice as to either defend it for 10 ifghts or not. Since they dont have a title to allow the choice.

GGG chose everytime he fought, 10 times over to stick with his crap title.

You give me a list of fights and I'll give you reasons to show why they were at best improbable... how about we do that? Remember, during this period GGG was a nobody, brought no money, a half assed title and couldn't even fight in the US until mid 2012. Off you go.

i have no interest in "what if and would have", thats the basis of your crap arguments.

Answer me why he defended his crap title 10 times if he didnt want to do it even once.

[Citizen Koba]

why does he not have a choice?

someone who DOESNT have a title has NO choice as to either defend it for 10 ifghts or not. Since they dont have a title to allow the choice.

GGG chose everytime he fought, 10 times over to stick with his crap title.




i have no interest in "what if and would have", thats the basis of your crap arguments.

Answer me why he defended his crap title 10 times if he didnt want to do it even once.

He defended his 'crap' title 10 times because there were no better fight available to him and because that 'crap' title was the only leverage he had to make any fights at all. You wanna make a living as a pro boxer man, you gotta fight even if they ain't the fights you'd choose... you do understand that, surely.

Anyways, man. You ain't coming up with any useful arguments just the same old logical fallacies backed up with unprovable assumptions. You ain't even answering my question which would at least allow us to have a reasoned discussion about the specific fights involved on a point by point basis. I'm done wasting time with you. Bye.

[DreamFighter]

He defended his 'crap' title 10 times because there were no better fight available to him and because that 'crap' title was the only leverage he had to make any fights at all. You wanna make a living as a pro boxer man, you gotta fight even if they ain't the fights you'd choose... you do understand that, surely.

TEN times? are you for real, even believing a word of what you write? TEN times he picks what he doesnt want, rather than other fights in pursuit if the recognised titles?

Anyways, man. You ain't coming up with any useful arguments

yeh I'm just doing it 10 times. I can see why you gotta go catch a bus all of a sudden.