Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager Doubts Joshua Fight Will Happen in 2019

[Noelanthony]

History will show AJ as a punk if this never happens! No fighter in the history of the sport has ever turned down $50 million dollars to fight in the U.S.! Now they want Wilder to negotiate before his numbers from the Fury fight come in! "Happen not gonna!" They would be extra ******! How do you establish "A-side?" Not by the amount of tickets, but by the live gate and PPV numbers! Canelo and GGG II live gate is more than AJ's fights, even though only 16K attend in Las Vegas, but 80K attend AJ's fights. Wilder needs those numbers for leverage! Nothing happens until we see the bag! Of course, Hearn will say he had to make the Whyte fight, blah, blah, blah! Game recognize game!

Yeah I actually agree with you to be fair. However , there can be a gentlemen’s agreement in play that ( now this is hypothetical so don’t write back saying I’m crazy and DW deserves more) Wilder gets 35% of pot if he defeats Fury in December with moderate figures. If however PPV figures are through the roof( which I doubt, sorry) then that percentage rises to 40%. Why I believe it should be capped at 40% because there is nothing to suggest that the PPV success was down to Wilder as Fury May have been beneficial factor and there is no previous PPV trend for Deontay. For example Deontay vs Ortiz 2 a great fight potentially but not PPV . Deontay vs anybody baring Fury and Joshua will not be PPV. You can not say the same for Joshua. Although I appreciate Joshua would not be PPV in America

[Adamsc151]

The simple fact is that based on all previous opponents, and being the "money fighter", AJ is the A-side against Wilder. Wilder is the A-side against anyone else in the division though. I do believe that as a fellow champ Wilder deserves at least a 3rd of the share - and that's from someone who can't stand the man.

Shelve all that for a minute however, as I'm getting increasingly pissed off with the Hearn and Finkel show. I truly believe that these 2 men are the ones holding up the biggest fight the HW division has seen since the late 90's - early 00's due to their greed. The boxers themselves would fight in a sweat-stinking gym (maybe a sight exaggeration) but the promoters (and TV/streaming networks) see the possible profits on offer and want to be the ones hosting the show and therefore getting the lions share.

[Laligalaliga]

This is your tactic every time. You post a bunch of lies, I correct you, and then you say there's no need to talk about it and everyone should enjoy the fights.

You just enjoy us arguing and when I cut your bluff, you don't take it lightly.

Am only offering you a win win situation.

[Noelanthony]

Will we see Joshua vs Wilder in April?
Bad Left Hook
September 24, 2018:

On Saturday night, a Tweet went round which had Tyson Fury’s trainer quoted as saying both Tyson AND Deontay have rematch clause, meaning that Fury and Wilder will engage in a two-fer of sorts. They are to clash December 1 and then, it would seem, do it again. When? Maybe after a four months or so, say, April?

Can you confirm, I asked Shelly Finkel, who is the public face leading negotiations for the Alabama boxer, who holds the WBC heavyweight strap? That would make April 13 a no-go for Deontay then, right, Shelly?

“Right now Deontay is fighting Fury,” the NYC resident Finkel, with 40 years in the business, answered. “If there is a real offer from Joshua, then at that time we will discuss our options. We think he is going to fight Dillian Whyte, so nothing to discuss there either.”

So, you get the lay of the land? Team Deontay is saying they just don’t think April date will have their name on it. Now, Finkel did not explicitly address the rematch on both sides setup, so not sure what to think there.

But I just think the timing is off. Do we expect Team AJ to negotiate with Wilder for an April 13 scrap as Wilder counts down to a near coinflip fight with defensive ace Tyson Fury? Does that make mucho sense to you?

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/9/2...ilder-in-april

Shirley is old school and just as devious as Bob Arum.He was underestimated and he has done a fine job manipulating the media. Look at the way he shies away from the question asked, and puts the onus or rather paints a narrative for Wilder fans to guzzle.

Team Wilder are sitting pretty. Negotiations have not even started but if they breakdown who will be at fault?.... Winkel can come today if he chooses and point blank say Eddie refuses to fight us and Wilder fans erupt in droves. I may have to cancel my Trip to New York next Month in fear of being lynched. You Wilder fans are too aggressive for my liking

[Ake-Dawg]

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I would go a step further and say it won’t ever happen unless AJ loses an Edwards is ready to cash him out before then or he runs out of opponents!

Name me a fighter in history that would turn down 50 million dollars guaranteed plus money from the backend and then in a case of a rematch would make 30 million dollars or more!

That’s possibly 80 million for two fights!

Biggest duck in boxing history , Anthony “Aflac” Joshua is a certified coward, he says there’s enough money for everyone but bawks at Team Wilder wanting a fair percentage or even 50/50!

After Fury, I expect Wilder to fight each of AJ’s fans like AJ told them to since they have more confidence than Joshua does in himself![/QUOTE

Can you name me a fighter who refused to sign when offered X7 of his regular?

Isn't that what Golovkin did when he was negotiating with Golden Boy. Whether is 2, 3, through 7 times the regular (the number is semantics) its regular in boxing for potential opponents to take hard negotiating stances in mega fights. All those fights were eventually made. We don't have to pretend that this impasse between Wilder and Joshua is some new thing to boxing.

[james240]

This will be like May-Pac 3 years to late when both are not in their prime anymore.

[Straightener]

Quite funny how people flip flop hard on this site

Yesterday Hearn was the devil for trying to get the ball rolling now Finkel drops a bollock and everyone is on full on deflect mode

I still think they didn’t want the fight ... you don’t sign a two fight deal with a guy who’s just had a two year lay off and two tune ups with guys ranked outside the top 130

Shambles

[Blond Beast]

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Isn't that what Golovkin did when he was negotiating with Golden Boy. Whether is 2, 3, through 7 times the regular (the number is semantics) its regular in boxing for potential opponents to take hard negotiating stances in mega fights. All those fights were eventually made. We don't have to pretend that this impasse between Wilder and Joshua is some new thing to boxing.

Right. This is just classic boxing. There’s so much precedent for this, it’s promotion in and of itself. Floyd vs Manny took so long but we were all there. If we didn’t show up then things might be different now. Hearn don’t want this fight now. If AJ wins he just becomes a bigger favourite in the rest of his fights.

[Noelanthony]

Hearn was asked if the 50 million was being agreed to in principle and if the meeting was to hammer out the smaller details. Hearn said no, the 50 million hadn't been agreed to in principle and he wanted to discuss other scenarios. Finkel wasn't willing to discuss other scenarios, so he refused to meet.




Thank you for your uneducated amateur opinion. Finkel is the most successful manager in the history of heavyweight boxing and Haymon is the most successful manager in the history of boxing. Maybe their thoughts on what a serious business person would do should carry more weight than yours.

Whether you run multinational company or a company with just 5 employees the principle of securing a deal is still the same. I don’t care how succesful they are even the most successful people in business have egos and I can tell you from experience if someone wants to make you an offer but doesn’t like you and not necessarily bothered whether you accept the deal or not these are the hallmarks..... 24 hours to accept, accept in principle or no meeting. In the history of business or boxing when has that ever happened?

Listen Hearn can be a **** and the likelihood he may have never accepted the deal even if it was 100 million but Shirley didn’t get to the position he is at thrashing out deals or using petty tactics as he did and I’m quite surprised you are trying to justify it by suggesting they are successful so they can.

Whether you like to believe it or not his ego is partly to blame for the fight not being made....

“Hey Eddie in 7 days time I have 2 points that I want to bring up”..... Smh who says that

[Noelanthony]

I would go a step further and say it won’t ever happen unless AJ loses an Edwards is ready to cash him out before then or he runs out of opponents!

Name me a fighter in history that would turn down 50 million dollars guaranteed plus money from the backend and then in a case of a rematch would make 30 million dollars or more!

That’s possibly 80 million for two fights!

Biggest duck in boxing history , Anthony “Aflac” Joshua is a certified coward, he says there’s enough money for everyone but bawks at Team Wilder wanting a fair percentage or even 50/50!

After Fury, I expect Wilder to fight each of AJ’s fans like AJ told them to since they have more confidence than Joshua does in himself!

Buddy you cleverly edited your last statement but luckily for you I have photographic memory.

You said “ can you name me a boxer in history that turned down 7x more than his regular” . Now I paused for a minute and thought long and hard. I couldn’t think of anyone. I mean I know Deontay earns 2 million regularly and he was obviously offered 15 million which I admit he was right to turn down...... no you have got me I can’t think of anyone that was a great point... kudos