Povetkin is better than Ortiz

[The3]

Go back and look at the career Povetkin career sh** on Ortiz

[kafkod]

Of course he did. That's not bad for a notorious doper and PED user. He was juiced to the gills when those fights happened. There were no mandatory VADA testing back then when he was laying those guys out cold. If there wasn't any testing for this fight, undoubtedly he would knocked Joshua out cold with his lying cheating ass. That's why Wilder refused to fight him because got popped for his PED use.

Ortiz is also a notorious steroid user and doper who got stripped of the WBA regular title for failing the post fight PED test. But Wilder still wanted to fight him after he got popped for his PED use. Not Povetkin though. Ever wonder why that was?

[champion4ever]

Ortiz is also a notorious steroid user and doper who got stripped of the WBA regular title for failing the post fight PED test. But Wilder still wanted to fight him after he got popped for his PED use. Not Povetkin though. Ever wonder why that was?

Yeah but Ortiz got popped in the U.S. That makes a whole lot of difference because the governing bodies in America are more stringent than in other parts of the world. That's why Ortiz was popped and got detected.

The reason why Wilder chose not to fight Povetkin is real simple. It's because many Russian and Ukrainian athletes are notorious juicers; Especially boxers.

In addition, unlike the U.S. There isn't any stringent testing for PED use in that part of the world. They have perhaps the most corrupt governing bodies of any in all of boxing.

Almost all of their athletes pop dirty. Therefore, I don't blame Wilder for doing what he did by getting the fuck outta dodge.

In addition, it's very possible the Povetkin has been juicing for his entire professional career.

[Raonic]

I'd like to see them fight.

[kafkod]

Yeah but Ortiz got popped in the U.S. That makes a whole lot of difference because the governing bodies in America are more stringent than in other parts of the world. That's why Ortiz was popped and got detected.

The reason why Wilder chose not to fight Povetkin is real simple. It's because many Russian and Ukrainian athletes are notorious juicers; Especially boxers.

In addition, unlike the U.S. There isn't any stringent testing for PED use in that part of the world. They have perhaps the most corrupt governing bodies of any in all of boxing.

Almost all of their athletes pop dirty. Therefore, I don't blame Wilder for doing what he did by getting the fuck outta dodge.

In addition, it's very possible the Povetkin has been juicing for his entire professional career.

Povetkin and Ortiz both got caught by VADA, and Povetkin got popped in his own country, Russia, so how the heck does that make them more corrupt that the US?

I'm pretty sure Ortiz is a long term PED abuser, which is why he now has high blood pressure. There's always been something shady about him. He refused to sign for an eliminator with Ustinov and pulled out of the fight because of a row over prefight testing, and he's looked like crap in most of his fights since then.

And there have been far more US and US based boxers caught using PEDs than Russians and Ukrainians. America has always been the world capital of steroid cheating.

[champion4ever]

Povetkin and Ortiz both got caught by VADA, and Povetkin got popped in his own country, Russia, so how the heck does that make them more corrupt that the US?
And there have been far more US and US based boxers caught using PEDs than Russians and Ukrainians. America has always been the world capital of steroid cheating.

Right you said VADA not the governing bodies. Remember when you said that Ortiz got stripped of the WBA regular title for failing the post fight PED test. That test was taking by the Nevada State Athletic Commission not from some separate independent entity or testing agency like VADA. That means that the American governing bodies are doing their jobs. They ensure that their fighters are clean.

I agree. As I said earlier, the U.S. Boxing Athletic Commissions do a far better job of testing stringently for doping and PED abuse than any other governing bodies in the world and they don't need VADA to do it either. They do it themselves. They've caught several steroid cheats in the past because they test for them unlike many of the corrupt governing bodies around the world.

[joseph5620]

Yeah he was ahead

Literally no one had Wilder ahead except for the judges. Go figure.

That's your opinion. But he was not behind on the scorecards and he did not lose every round. Those are facts. Your statements are lies. He dropped Ortiz in the 5th You gave that round to Ortiz too? Carry on LOL.

[joseph5620]

You're in a minority. Most people watching had Ortiz ahead. Not with Americans though, you're far too biased to score in an honourable manner. There is no case for Wilder being ahead in that fight. None.

No I'm not in the minority because I didn't score the fight. So your reading comprehension is lacking. It's not about me it's about the official scorecard. Wilder was ahead on the cards and that was the dispute. Facts.

[LacedUp]

That's your opinion. But he was not behind on the scorecards and he did not lose every round. Those are facts. Your statements are lies. He dropped Ortiz in the 5th You gave that round to Ortiz too? Carry on LOL.

No it's not my opinion. I was live in the thread here, on twitter and everywhere else.

No I didn't give him the 5th, but he did outbox Wilder throughout and hurt him badly.

[LacedUp]

Yeah but Ortiz got popped in the U.S. That makes a whole lot of difference because the governing bodies in America are more stringent than in other parts of the world. That's why Ortiz was popped and got detected.

The reason why Wilder chose not to fight Povetkin is real simple. It's because many Russian and Ukrainian athletes are notorious juicers; Especially boxers.

In addition, unlike the U.S. There isn't any stringent testing for PED use in that part of the world. They have perhaps the most corrupt governing bodies of any in all of boxing.

Almost all of their athletes pop dirty. Therefore, I don't blame Wilder for doing what he did by getting the fuck outta dodge.

In addition, it's very possible the Povetkin has been juicing for his entire professional career.

So in your mind Ortiz's doping is more OK than Povetkin's?

man, some of the stuff you guys come up with