Povetkin is better than Ortiz

[4truth]

Both decent fighters. Both looked great on PEDs and only pretty good off of them. I don't see one as better than the other.

[Sid-Knee]

No I'm not in the minority because I didn't score the fight. So your reading comprehension is lacking. It's not about me it's about the official scorecard. Wilder was ahead on the cards and that was the dispute. Facts.

You said Wilder didn't lose every round. But he basically did. A couple of the rounds went to Wilder due to the knockdowns, but outside of those rounds? Nah. So yeah, you're in a minority.

If you're claiming otherwise, what was your score card after 9 rounds?

[Sid-Knee]

Povetkin carries like, 30 or more pounds of body fat. If he lost the unnecessary weight / fat from his body, he shouldn't have a problem making light heavyweight. His natural weight division at best, is cruiser weight and not heavyweight.

Even Oleksandr Usyk, a guy who competes at cruiser weight, is functionally bigger than Povetkin. If Usyk carried anywhere near as much body fat as Povetkin did, he'd easily weigh 230+ pounds. And even without body fat, Usyk still weighs a lot.

Povetkin's skills enabled him to make up for his lack of size to a certain extent. But his lack of size will always be a shortcoming at the elite level against the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury.

Was Povetkin fat when he competed at Amateur level at Heavyweight?

[champion4ever]

The bottom line is Joshua knocked out a cherry pick in Alexander Povetkin who was done the moment he stepped in that ring on Saturday night but now the British fans wants to elevate him into enormous heights by inflating this shot, washed up, 40 year old opponent; With no chin, stamina, reflexes or defense worth because he became one of Joshua's knock out victims as their coward AJ used him to justify his duck of Deontay Wilder because he just so happen to be his mandatory challenger.

[champion4ever]

dude you keep going back to accomplishments. accomplishments mean nothing. in teh ring they amount to experience, and if you've taken a beating it can actually hurt you! in povetkin's case that is exactly what

they don't stack up and make you taller, stronger, left handed, a bigger puncher, give you a better chin, etc! they give you experience, and you ened to evaluate what that experience has done for him in the context of what it has taken away from him.

this is not a conversation worth having if you keep going back to what the guy did as a f3cking amateur. believ eme, anthony joshya didn't give a ****.


tell me why povetkin in 2018 was a tougher matchup than luis ortiz. specifically tell me why. you have not done that in 15 pages

Good post! These guys hell bent on focusing on the past while reasonable and objective fans are focusing on the present as to who is actually the better fighter is. However, they don't won't to do that because it obviously frightens them.

[champion4ever]

well for one you can use your eyes and your own reasoning. do you let other people tell you how to rank a fighter? i gave you lots of reasons other than, "because X told me so." insurmountable reasons, really. go ahead and refute them.

ortiz is left handed, a has never gotten his ass kicked by an all time great, is 25 lbs bigger. has anywhere from 5-10 inches of reach according to which source you listen to. he's a bigger puncher. there's just a ton that makes him a better fighter, and everybody but the british [and even the reasonable british,] are calling it like it is and saying he was a better fighter in 2018 than a very aged and small povetkin.


you guys generally don't know what you're looking at, and that's fine. so you look to experts to help you form an opinion. i have not looked at ring magazine regularly for a while. it is owned by a promoter. i was a sub for 15 years when it was the best sporting publication on the planet [5 of that had seen it go downhill but it was still the best, and the internet was still picking up steam in regard to boxing.] if it had povetkin ranked higher than ortiz at the time of the wilder fight it is silly. povetkin was seen as an worn out fighter in spite of the fact that they're allegedly around teh same age. and FFS he is small! these are giant men and povetkin is not the same size! povetkin gave up 8 inches of reach to anthony joshua! don't ignore that becuase ring magazine tells you what to do! ortiz was undefeated and at HW it means a lot when you are dangerous, and he is. subsequently, he did better against wilder than povetkin did against joshua. the big shot that he landed had wilder rocked, he could weather storms that povetkin couldn't weather.

Spot on! You hit the hammer on the nail.

[sicko]

People shouldn't assume who wins the fight? You do know that is what most of the threads and posts are about right? If people stopped assuming who wins, there would be very little to talk about on here.

Not saying that at all, however I do thinks some fans would rather play things safe and continue to assume how a fight would play out based on Triangle Theories and Common Opponents rather than actually seeing the fights really play out and being proven wrong

It is like guys who trash talk but then when the fight is signed and they know their guy is going to lose, they kinda disappear and/or become submissive and admit that they know their guy is going to lose. This happens often particularly on this forum.

Assumptions and Opinions are not FACTS! A lot of people tend to struggle with that, "Povetkin Is Better Than Ortiz" is an OPINION. Me personally, I would much rather seen them fight and lets find out, the winner of that match up gets right back into the mix for another shot at Wilder or AJ

[Madison Boxing]

The bottom line is Joshua knocked out a cherry pick in Alexander Povetkin who was done the moment he stepped in that ring on Saturday night but now the British fans wants to elevate him into enormous heights by inflating this shot, washed up, 40 year old opponent; With no chin, stamina, reflexes or defense worth because he became one of Joshua's knock out victims as their coward AJ used him to justify his duck of Deontay Wilder because he just so happen to be his mandatory challenger.

Noones hyping him up. It was a good solid win same as wilder beating Ortiz.

[champion4ever]

that is not relevant to the degree that you think it is. this is not a fighter in his prime. makes me think you guys don't really understand boxing.

does he bring his resume into the ring with him and show it to his opponent? or do they fight? do their physical and technical abilities, their conditioning, and their will matter, or does a list on a piece of paper matter?


i need somebody to read one of my comprehensive, british-morale-shattering posts regarding why ortiz was a tougher match in 2018 than povetkin, and refute it. tell me to my face that 8 inches of reach, 25 lbs, and a 10 year career including a 12 round ass kicking at the hands of an all time great puncher don't f#cking matter

You are definitely cooking tonight. You are kicking the living shit out of these guys when it comes down to logic. None of them can seem to touch you. Well said and excellent job!

[Double]

Well sure Povetkin gots the medal + better resume. Thats not even arguable. But that said idk that I think it'd be as clear in the ring despite how far apart one could argue they are on paper. \

I think that'd be a 50/50ish fight & I might just lean Ortiz's way cuz Povetkin seems like he's gotten way easier to hit & easier to be hurt than he's ever been before. If Ortiz can hang as long as he did vs Wilder he could hang for as long or longer vs Povetkin who's far more predictable & I don't believe hits as hard.

Eh either way it'd be a fun fight & I'm not into all this gay ass Joshua fanboy sh^t or Wilder fanboy sh^t to act like there is a glaring talent gap between these two fighters, but fair play if any of the fanboys for either side wants to act like there is here.

Well stated