Haymon killing another unification fight?

[The Big Dunn]

Not being awkward but genuinely don't know who Ramirez is. As I said to dunn, I don't blame him for wanting easy paydays and an easy life but I'm not rating him alongside fighters who are actually fighting world level guys.

LOL you mean like Pedrazza? Come on dramshow all of Arum's top tier fighters fight the same blueprint. It is unfair for you to act as if Crawford is the only one.

[The Big Dunn]

You don't think he has any chance of getting a fight with stablemate Ramirez, who's unbeaten and a good champion? You don't think he has a chance to get the winner of the WBSS who'll be unbeaten, unified with three belts and most likely knocking on the p4p door? If it's Prograis (as odds-makers think so) it will be easy to make as Prograis is affiliated with TR and has a bit of a rivalry with Crawford. If Prograis wins the tournament he's probably a better option than anything not named Spence or Thurman (if he decides he wants to fight again).

It's possible Spence doesn't get any major fights in 2019 also and his list of opposition is the worst bar none of any pound for pound entrant and he's never cleaned our or unified even one division. I think if he let's Thurman/Porter/Garcia keep fighting each other and isn't willing to look into fighting on a Top Rank show being that he's a "free agent" surely some blame and lack of ambition would be pointed at him, no?

Crawford's probably happy with $3m per fight and 3 fights per year vs. I'm sure less in purses and less volume of fights and like I said the potential for opponents isn't that limited outside of the PBC league.

The problem is the JWW moving up thing will get old fast. Crawford is a WW and I want to see him fight other legit WW's, not a string of JWW's moving up that will either go back down or fight some lower tier bum after Crawford beats them.

[chrisJS]

Not being awkward but genuinely don't know who Ramirez is. As I said to dunn, I don't blame him for wanting easy paydays and an easy life but I'm not rating him alongside fighters who are actually fighting world level guys.

WBC champion at 140. A very good fighter who's improving at a rapid pace. Had an excellent win over Imam to win the title and is facing Orozco in a good fight Friday. If he keeps winning and improving (which he will) then sometime in 2019 that's a very attractive match. Ramirez is also huge for a 140-pounder.

[j.razor]

Listen to Errol Spence coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses for not fighting Crawford, just like Wilder did with AJ.

Sounds like typical Al Haymon bullshit to me, killing a fight because he's scared of his guy losing to somebody with a rival promoter.

Typical Hater that goes against the truth^

You know DAMN well bob aint gon let that fight happen!

Why don't so called journalist/reporters ask bob to make the fight? Huh fat rafael, Where are those headlines?!?!?

[j.razor]

Haymon has his fighters like Union Workers over paid and only in house work .

Aint NOBODY EVER over paid. And you seem to be ignoring the fact that your talking about bob arum with the in-house.

[chrisJS]

The problem is the JWW moving up thing will get old fast. Crawford is a WW and I want to see him fight other legit WW's, not a string of JWW's moving up that will either go back down or fight some lower tier bum after Crawford beats them.

Ramirez is huge at JWW, Taylor is very big for the weight too and I don't think Prograis can make it for that much longer either.

I'm not saying he should sit back and fight them all but a natural order would be Ramirez and then the winner of the WBSS. I think that's a good 2019 and though some fans will look at it as "beating smaller men coming up" others will rightly view it as beating accomplished guys of the same size. I think all three of those guys can and will be in the Welterweight mix the next few years.

[Madison Boxing]

dude, Crawford being a top p4p fighter is EXACTLY why Arum made the move he did. This point can't just be overlooked.

Arum is WAY overpaying Crawford at $3 mil a fight and did so when he didn't have to. He saw PBC get the spots and cash and knew if he didn't act Crawford may have jumped ship.

Arum lost hundreds of millions with ODH and Floyd, I don't think he wanted to sit by and watch another major fighter leave like they did.

Maybe talent wise but he doesn't deserve to be considered one based on what he's actually done. If he doesn't intend to actually fight anyone decent then it's disrespectful to rank him above real fighters who take on challenges. That mean machine guy he's lining up to fight next year is straight up trash too.

[j.razor]

I only blame fighters now. If they wanna fight then theyll force it. Crawford clearly the number 1 WW talent. So others need to step up to the challenge. Seems like spence is stuck on the Garcia BS fight. And thats disapointing

Then when the promoter says were not going to take a PED Test, my fighter is afraid of needles, we are making a new stadium for the fight, he wants too much money, Blah, blah, blah you believe it....LMMFAO!

[KillaMane26]

This fight only gets made when its build up 2 ppv fight.

[j.razor]

When it comes to the stars of their stables I think Haymon and Arum are pretty bad at letting their stars fight on other cards. Arum let Lomachenko fight on Showtime vs. Russell and he's letting Gvozdyk fight Stevenson on Showtime whereas Haymon has let the likes of Molina fight a top Top Rank guy. There's a difference there. Now, I know Loma and Gvozdyk were purse bids, but he could have just maneuvered other title fights, surely?

Arum worked with other promoters in making two recent fights most of this board said he'd never dare make in Lomachenko-Rigondeaux and Lomachenko-Linares. Both fights were easily signed once it was clear the other promoter was game.

Haymon is the most in-house for sure and I'm not sure why people have a hard time seeing that or just run with the 'Bob will never make it" narrative and completely ignore the fact Haymon is just as bad (if not worse) than you perceive Top Rank.

Spence comes across as very glad there's a political divide preventing him from fighting his most talented potential rival with the hardest style to dissect. From bragging about his "side of the street" and putting up all these roadblocks. Hey, you say you are a "free agent", well Crawford is getting $3m a fight to fight whoever he chooses, surely if you ask Bob he'll pay you to fight his guy and pay you well. If Porter/Thurman/Garcia want to fight each other again and you're stuck with Ocampo, Collazo etc; may be time to try and fight Crawford.

You a bob sucker, you know damn well Rigo made the fight happen cuz he put bob on blast through social media & had to take ALL the DISADVANTAGES to make the fight happen, genius! Bud is stuck like chuck so you gon have to suck it up buttercup.