how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[Madison Boxing]

Yet you give Joyce credit for Commonwealth? really?? stop being biased European gold???

i threw it in there but yeah commonwealth isnt amazing i agree.

[Larry the boss]

i threw it in there but yeah commonwealth isnt amazing i agree.

Nor is Euro gold

[Biolink]

Solis wasn't a bum, he couldn't stop eating cheese burgers and self-destructed once he felt he had it made. Not sure when all that went down, but I'm sure Solis wasn't the fat pile we saw in the Tony Thompson fight when they fought.

Either way in the bigger picture even if he was 2nd or 3rd to Solis, etc... in the Cuban ams system of all palces I don't see how that makes him a "bad" am. Maybe overrated if anything.

Lastly wasn't Joshua's olympic gold medal in dispute with that fight he was with the Italian?

[Raggamuffin]

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

Joshua fanatics will belittle every good fighter that Wilder has faced and beaten. And it might've worked...only if Meldonium and Ostarine didn't exist lol. Convoluted thought I admit LBoogs, but you catch my drift lmao. Good answer lol...

[Raggamuffin]

And Joe Joyce is a ****en bum lmao...

[Madison Boxing]

Nor is Euro gold

winning the euros is impressive. theres a lot of top european amateurs.

[Larry the boss]

The man was a well decorated Amateur boxer, you act like its easy to accomplish what he did...Cuba had a lot of skilled talented fighters and that is why he never made the Olympics..It is easy to make an Olympic team when you have an easier path because the talent you are around is not as good. Give the guy his props, out of millions of people who box in the world he was elite

[Larry the boss]

winning the euros is impressive. theres a lot of top european amateurs.

There are a lot of top Cuban Amateurs and that are known to be very talented and he won a lot of those tournements yet you slam that??? why?

[TheBigLug]

You can put too much stock in what people achieve or don't in the amateurs. Go look through medalists from major competitions over the years, the vast majority don't do anything as a pro. The amateur game when Ortiz was around was very different to what it is now. The scoring was very different then, so with the small number of rounds, you could box in a certain style and rack up points. It was suited to some styles more than others.

Terence Crawford didn't do much on the international amateur scene. He didn't make the olympics because he lost to Sadam Ali and others, yet Crawford is one of the most skilled fighters in the pro game. David Price won an olympic medal, Audley Harrison won a gold and look how their pro careers turned out.

[Madison Boxing]

There are a lot of top Cuban Amateurs and that are known to be very talented and he won a lot of those tournements yet you slam that??? why?

he didnt win a lot of them he won one of them. being champion of cuba is not as impressive as europe and its not as impressive as getting to an olympic final, ortiz couldnt even get to the olympics.